DON'T TELL ME WHAT HAPPENS!
We're only two episodes into the second season, and there are four.
If "Money Heist" were in English, it would be the biggest show on television.
That's not to say it would be the best show on television, but once you get hooked, you eat it right up.
Now on one level the series is meaningless, as in it's about a heist. And if you're into cops and robbers, first watch "Spiral," on Amazon, but that's in French. And if you want to learn something, view "A French Village."
But chances are you won't do any of the above, because you're too busy going down your own rabbit hole, and you're not sure if you trust me.
But the reason to watch "Money Heist" on Netflix is because of the people, their personalities.
The truth doesn't come out until the middle of the first season, they don't go deep into the background of any of the personalities until then, but when they do, there are so many issues.
Can a group get along? Or is there always someone who bucks the system?
And when the going gets hard, do you stick to the plan or?
And if you're a hostage, do you try to escape?
I've thought about that my whole life. As a Jew you grow up learning about the Holocaust, and you wonder, would you leave?
Looks all rosy from the other side, especially if you know history, but are you willing to give up everything, your house, your friends, your money, in order to try and preserve your life? And the emphasis here is on "try." It's like a human version of "Let's Make A Deal." And I'm asking you, do you feel lucky? I don't.
Kind of how I used to talk to Republicans. I always tried to see their side, keep it calm, but the funny thing is they never tried to see my side. Oh, they thought they knew it and it was incorrect, so they had no time for it. But in the age of Trump, I don't suffer them anymore.
Then again, I'm so busy listening to people to be a member of the group, to be friends, because the rewards are there, when you're a pinball you learn the pitfalls, you gain experience, you have fun.
But few are listening to me.
That's another thing I've learned about the modern age, how narcissistic people are. They're just looking for an opportunity to sell you their vision, no matter how bogus, they've convinced themselves and now they're trying to convince you. And they may throw some money to charities, but it's about embellishing their brand. Poor people going nowhere have no brand, they give out of compassion. But in America everybody believes they're going to be a winner, and you succeed by appealing to them. Want to know how the election will turn out? Watch the movie "Milk." Harvey Milk is speaking the truth, but he's giving no hope, and he loses until he does just that.
My hope is in these shows. Maybe because they're static, maybe because they can't jump off the flat screen and try to cajole me into watching. They're another world, and as much as they're an escape, I'm looking for truth. Flawed people, usually unaware of their flaws, trying to work it out.
I couldn't work it out until I went into therapy. I thought I could see the landscape, but I couldn't. Not that I had to adjust my entire personality, my doctor says you can change one tiny thing and the whole picture changes.
Now if you're a parent, how involved in your kid's roadmap are you?
The funny thing is the elites are heavily involved. Making sure their progeny follow the right steps to be comfortable in life, however unhappy they might be. And life's too short to go through it unhappy, then again, I've martyred myself on the slab of commitment more than once.
That's the conundrum. Rewards go to those who stick with it, but there's also a time to jump, but those sunk costs...
So, do you pressure your kid into being a winner if they're a loser?
And if you're a loser, do you have to own it?
That comes up in "Money Heist." As well as class. Your dream is you can climb the ladder, whereas those already up top not only won't let you in, they're ignoring you. Is it worth it to try and fight your way up there?
And so much of success comes down to character. Then again, many of the mega-rich are flawed. They had to be so myopic, they had to step on so many people to get ahead. Steve Jobs was inherently flawed. Mark Zuckerberg is too. Don't wait for Mark to be reasonable, it's not in his toolkit.
But it comes down to applying yourself, how long can you stay in the ring before you cry "uncle." The truth is most people can't last too long, so if you can, you march right to the head of the class.
And if you're a parent, are you watching your own mistakes, or are you just passing them on to your kids, the after-effects or the lessons.
So, can a leopard change its spots?
In other words, once a criminal always a criminal?
And in today's world, can you get away with anything but white collar crime, has technology progressed to the point where you're gonna get caught, no matter what? Hell, there are cameras in your own damn house, do you think they're not going to go to that videotape?
And what's your price? At what point do you throw over your morals for money?
And at what point do you do what's expedient, cozy up to your capturers believing it will keep you alive.
And personality drives the car more than looks. The way the women manipulate the men in this series... And they know they're doing it! And can you handle when a woman comes on to you, when she is calling the shots, or do you get nervous?
And speaking of rules... Do you obey them or do you not? Every day in the news there are legends who have turned out to have crossed the line. Can you say "Houston Astros"?
And at what point are you in so deep that it's not worth turning back?
And can you rely on others. Today, mostly you can't, especially on the small things. Will the person show up on time? Will they show up at all?
And some of the winners feel like losers inside. The picture says one thing and the heart says another.
And it still comes down to the question of whether I'd try to escape. I think not. I'd think I could cozy up to my captors, I'd think I'd be rescued, I'd think if I broke the rules I'd pay the consequences, as in getting shot, killed. And death is final. Done deal. The world moves on, you don't.
I know, I know, it's just a genre series.
But the masterminding of the crime is fascinating.
But it's the life lessons that keep me watching.
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Saturday 18 January 2020
Friday 17 January 2020
The Dugan Affair
My first reaction was laughter. You spent all that time searching and vetting and then this happened?
But today I've flipped.
I do not know Ms. Dugan's personality. There are people with rough edges, who do not get along. But after the aforementioned vetting, what are the odds that Dugan has sharp elbows, especially after dealing with Bono, et al?
As for experience... At first I thought this was an Andy Lack situation. You know, someone with no history comes in believing they know better and it turns out that they're clueless, they don't respect the business, believing it's run by simpletons But Deborah Dugan had experience at EMI, never mind RED.
Let's go back in history. The Grammys were a joke until Mike Greene levitated them. He single-handedly gave the awards gravitas. And he stood up to the powers-that-be, that's why the Grammys didn't return to New York.
But Greene was his own man, uncontrollable, and the powers-that-be never liked this. You see Greene was first and foremost a musician, and musicians need to be taught a basic lesson, that they're second class citizens.
And then Deborah Dugan put the artist first, and all hell broke loose.
You see the Grammys are first and foremost about the CBS contract, why else would the organization allow the TV presenters and try to appeal to an aged audience? You see CBS pays beaucoup bucks, and your goal is to keep them happy.
And then comes the labels.
Musicians may come and go, but the labels remain. Especially today. With consolidation.
Yup, the labels want Grammys for marketing purposes. They insist their employees block vote. They want to win, and you either play ball or you're excommunicated.
Now for 17 years you had Neil Portnow. What was his background? THE LABELS! If Portnow didn't put his foot in his mouth, telling women to step up, he'd still be in control, because he's just what the labels want, a wuss who will do what they say.
And some of Portnow's choices were insane. Giving up the building you own to rent another office?
But if you come from the label side, it's all about the seven figure salary and appearances. You need a huge office, a fancy car, you've got to look the part, like you're an equal to the big swinging dicks.
And they all have had dicks. Women have been excluded. Or else the business has trained them to operate like men in order to succeed. And then you get a woman recruited by women who've never had a seat at the table. How do you think that's gonna work out? BADLY!
Yes, the reports are that Dugan never fit in.
Because the Grammy lifers don't like change. Especially in a world where no one can lose their job.
The Grammy organization is not like working on the business side of the ledger. Don't perform at the label or agency or concert promotion company and you're out. To be in the circus you sell your soul, you need to be available 24/7, if you complain you need time for your regular life, you're not cut out for the business and won't last. You should feel privileged to work in the business, because many other people are willing to take your gig at less pay. Supply and demand baby. It's economics.
So a job at the Grammys is cushy.
But it's not only cushy for the employees, but for the trustees and the rest of the hangers-on. They fly to Hawaii, live it up, all on the Grammy dime. They're bleeding the organization dry, but they don't care.
And speaking of not caring, the household name musicians? They're not involved, they've got no time for the politics and the truth is they've got no time at all, they're too busy working! And the top tier believes the Grammys are lame anyway, it's only the underlings who really care, which is why there are nearly a hundred categories and you can't eliminate any. Some of the categories have so few contenders that they essentially pass the Grammy around. Then, on all their bios, they put that they won said Grammy. The Brits have ten categories, they've gotten rid of even more than that. They're willing to shake it up, stay current. Meanwhile, we've seen the same damn "Grammy moment" mash-up TV show for years. You'd think every song on the hit parade was a medley featuring stars from different genres, it'd be like going to see a Scorsese film and having it turn into a Kevin Hart movie in the middle.
But hell, look how long it's taken to get rid of Ken Ehrlich, who has produced the Grammys for forty years! Do you think the rank and file employees, the organization itself is gonna accept change? NO!
Sure, maybe Dugan should have read the room, maybe moved a bit slower, but the truth is they were never gonna accept her, they didn't want their cheese moved, they wanted it to be the same as it ever was, but with a new figurehead.
The music business runs on artists, shouldn't they be at the pinnacle of the mission statement?
Did Dugan really need an office that big?
And who is gonna listen to a woman anyway? Especially one who is not a people-pleaser.
This is why we had Napster, this is why today's music business is run by indies, not majors. How many categories do the majors even release music in? And today, the scene is broader than ever before. But instead, we get the usual suspects.
If the organization doesn't change, it dies. Look at the Oscars... They want to keep it as it was and insist you watch, even though the bulk of revenue comes from moviegoers who have never seen the nominees! So they expand the Best Picture category but the popular movies never win anyway, they're just bait to get you to tune into the telecast.
And the truth is all awards shows are tanking in ratings. Ten years from now they may not even be a thing, certainly not on network TV.
And network TV may not even exist, certainly not in its present format.
As for TV distribution... Who in hell is going to subscribe to all these services? It's worse than the cable bundle. Which is just what the purveyors want, screw the viewer.
So Deborah Dugan tries to bring the organization into the present, prepare for the future, and no one wants that.
Come on, are we gonna get a new caretaker like Portnow after only a few months? Are people really that afraid of change?
Yes.
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But today I've flipped.
I do not know Ms. Dugan's personality. There are people with rough edges, who do not get along. But after the aforementioned vetting, what are the odds that Dugan has sharp elbows, especially after dealing with Bono, et al?
As for experience... At first I thought this was an Andy Lack situation. You know, someone with no history comes in believing they know better and it turns out that they're clueless, they don't respect the business, believing it's run by simpletons But Deborah Dugan had experience at EMI, never mind RED.
Let's go back in history. The Grammys were a joke until Mike Greene levitated them. He single-handedly gave the awards gravitas. And he stood up to the powers-that-be, that's why the Grammys didn't return to New York.
But Greene was his own man, uncontrollable, and the powers-that-be never liked this. You see Greene was first and foremost a musician, and musicians need to be taught a basic lesson, that they're second class citizens.
And then Deborah Dugan put the artist first, and all hell broke loose.
You see the Grammys are first and foremost about the CBS contract, why else would the organization allow the TV presenters and try to appeal to an aged audience? You see CBS pays beaucoup bucks, and your goal is to keep them happy.
And then comes the labels.
Musicians may come and go, but the labels remain. Especially today. With consolidation.
Yup, the labels want Grammys for marketing purposes. They insist their employees block vote. They want to win, and you either play ball or you're excommunicated.
Now for 17 years you had Neil Portnow. What was his background? THE LABELS! If Portnow didn't put his foot in his mouth, telling women to step up, he'd still be in control, because he's just what the labels want, a wuss who will do what they say.
And some of Portnow's choices were insane. Giving up the building you own to rent another office?
But if you come from the label side, it's all about the seven figure salary and appearances. You need a huge office, a fancy car, you've got to look the part, like you're an equal to the big swinging dicks.
And they all have had dicks. Women have been excluded. Or else the business has trained them to operate like men in order to succeed. And then you get a woman recruited by women who've never had a seat at the table. How do you think that's gonna work out? BADLY!
Yes, the reports are that Dugan never fit in.
Because the Grammy lifers don't like change. Especially in a world where no one can lose their job.
The Grammy organization is not like working on the business side of the ledger. Don't perform at the label or agency or concert promotion company and you're out. To be in the circus you sell your soul, you need to be available 24/7, if you complain you need time for your regular life, you're not cut out for the business and won't last. You should feel privileged to work in the business, because many other people are willing to take your gig at less pay. Supply and demand baby. It's economics.
So a job at the Grammys is cushy.
But it's not only cushy for the employees, but for the trustees and the rest of the hangers-on. They fly to Hawaii, live it up, all on the Grammy dime. They're bleeding the organization dry, but they don't care.
And speaking of not caring, the household name musicians? They're not involved, they've got no time for the politics and the truth is they've got no time at all, they're too busy working! And the top tier believes the Grammys are lame anyway, it's only the underlings who really care, which is why there are nearly a hundred categories and you can't eliminate any. Some of the categories have so few contenders that they essentially pass the Grammy around. Then, on all their bios, they put that they won said Grammy. The Brits have ten categories, they've gotten rid of even more than that. They're willing to shake it up, stay current. Meanwhile, we've seen the same damn "Grammy moment" mash-up TV show for years. You'd think every song on the hit parade was a medley featuring stars from different genres, it'd be like going to see a Scorsese film and having it turn into a Kevin Hart movie in the middle.
But hell, look how long it's taken to get rid of Ken Ehrlich, who has produced the Grammys for forty years! Do you think the rank and file employees, the organization itself is gonna accept change? NO!
Sure, maybe Dugan should have read the room, maybe moved a bit slower, but the truth is they were never gonna accept her, they didn't want their cheese moved, they wanted it to be the same as it ever was, but with a new figurehead.
The music business runs on artists, shouldn't they be at the pinnacle of the mission statement?
Did Dugan really need an office that big?
And who is gonna listen to a woman anyway? Especially one who is not a people-pleaser.
This is why we had Napster, this is why today's music business is run by indies, not majors. How many categories do the majors even release music in? And today, the scene is broader than ever before. But instead, we get the usual suspects.
If the organization doesn't change, it dies. Look at the Oscars... They want to keep it as it was and insist you watch, even though the bulk of revenue comes from moviegoers who have never seen the nominees! So they expand the Best Picture category but the popular movies never win anyway, they're just bait to get you to tune into the telecast.
And the truth is all awards shows are tanking in ratings. Ten years from now they may not even be a thing, certainly not on network TV.
And network TV may not even exist, certainly not in its present format.
As for TV distribution... Who in hell is going to subscribe to all these services? It's worse than the cable bundle. Which is just what the purveyors want, screw the viewer.
So Deborah Dugan tries to bring the organization into the present, prepare for the future, and no one wants that.
Come on, are we gonna get a new caretaker like Portnow after only a few months? Are people really that afraid of change?
Yes.
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Thursday 16 January 2020
Tuesday's Debate
You probably didn't watch it.
That's the story of the social media age, we're all in our own cocoons, and we get the news via absorption as opposed to first hand.
The younger generation does not read the newspaper, certainly not they physical one, but the headlines do appear in their feeds, they get a facsimile of the news online.
As for oldsters?
Sure, they care, they vote the most, but except for a small coterie who live for the political game, most are hunkered down in their bunkers, deep into news that confirms their bias.
Furthermore, an incredible percentage of Democrats have ankled their Republican friends. When these righties start spouting the talking points the Dems feel their blood boil, and since you cannot convince someone to change their opinion in an argument, at best they'll reevaluate later, it's a personal stand to avoid interaction, and many do.
So we had a debate and few people watched. Tuesday night's affair had the lowest ratings for a debate so far.
But it was one of the best. By only having six candidates on stage there was coherence, everybody got time to respond, to not only the questioners but their fellow candidates.
Let's start with Tom Steyer. How he polled high enough to get in this debate flummoxes me. As for those who didn't qualify, they're done, toast. Marianne Williamson dropped out. Cory Booker punted. You may align with one of those excluded but still running, but it's a lost cause. Like a record, they've peaked, and no one is willing to invest in them anymore, not prodigious amounts, they want to focus on the winners.
Which brings us to Amy Klobuchar. The Trust Me candidate. Yup, she's from a red district, so she can beat the Orange Menace.
Only Minnesota is one of the most liberal states in the union. The rap is it's cold, but if you want a social safety net, if you want a cosmopolitan center, if you want elbow room and outdoor activities, move to Minnesota. The people there know this, everybody else is afraid of the weather.
So intellectually, we get Klobuchar. But we just can't get behind her emotionally. We agree she could do the job, she looks good on paper, it's just that it's hard to work up a passion about her.
Also, Amy's debating in an old fashioned style. Quoting experiences about her dad and her father, these tropes no longer work, especially after Joe the Plumber. You look rehearsed, when we're looking for spontaneity, humanity. Also, Amy was a bit off her game.
Buttigieg?
Smooth. Compared to the alta kachers on stage, he was a breath of fresh air, in that he was young, his memory was intact, he could turn on a dime, the only thing is he didn't run his own city so well and he's not believable, as in he's made the tactical decision to run to the center and there's little appeal for this. Yup, just like with the nation at large, Democrats are now tribal. Either you want drastic change or you want to keep what you've got and get rid of Trump. Pete falls somewhere in the middle, and that's nowheresville.
Which brings us to Biden.
I wish you'd watched this debate, because if you had there'd be no chance in hell you'd vote for Joe. He could not get the words out, he got confused. And sure, he was always this way, but now it's worse.
Joe gained a bit of steam at the end, but you wince when he starts to speak. Furthermore, you should read the opinion piece in the "Times," from a reporter in Iowa. Joe was speaking at a college and students were leaving. Because they disagreed with his viewpoints? No, because he was so boring!
"I'm a Reporter in Iowa. Here's What My State Is Looking For. We don't care about Biden's electability. We want excitement": https://nyti.ms/2syiaRV
Robert Leonard, the author of the above article, has it right, when so many in New York and D.C. have it wrong. He's on the ground, he interacts with voters. He's living it. And the truth is candidates are not math, they're people. Come on, ever have a crush on a beautiful person and after talking to them you have no desire to interact with them further? Yup, it's about more than looks, it's about personality, character. And we tend to adhere to those with rough edges, as opposed to those whose are smooth.
So Elizabeth Warren generates excitement. It's just that she blew it by repeatedly avoiding that question about paying for Medicare in that old debate and instantly she looked like a typical, two-faced, double-talking politician. I was for her. I'd still vote for her. But, you've got to deliver when the mic is on, and she did not.
That's another thing that was evidenced in this debate. Experience. Steyer didn't have it, he's still on the learning curve, of how to deliver in these circumstances.
And Elizabeth Warren is too.
No, the person with the most experience debating, who looked most comfortable on stage was...
Bernie Sanders.
Now Warren had the winning speech of the night, when she talked about the women on stage being the only ones who never lost an election. That resonated. But it was so deep in the debate that most people were not watching. You've got to kill in the first twenty minutes, after that it does not matter.
But if you did not watch and are paying attention to the scuttlebutt you'd think the debate was all about a war between Warren and Sanders over whether a woman can win. What he said, what she said.
But during the debate, that was handled graciously. Warren did not double-down on Bernie. She took the high road and triumphed.
But then she was petty after the debate and the blowback is now hurting her. Yup, that's the story of this debate, how she wouldn't shake Bernie's hand and she accused him of lying.
Do we care?
Not really. It's got nothing to do with running for President. And is there anybody paying attention who believes a woman cannot run and win? After Obama won twice and Hillary won the popular vote and a gay man polls high enough to be on stage?
But the truth is we're coming to crunch time. It's getting vicious. For not only the candidates, but their teams. Yup, if you've been canvassing forever, you want to win, you'll almost say anything to succeed.
So right after this debate was over, I went online to see what was being said.
Didn't look like the debate I watched.
Proving how powerful the media is.
It's not only Fox News. If you've got a substantial audience, you can sway public sentiment. So those not truly paying attention are not gonna get the real story, but a filtered one from someone with an interest in the game.
Now they batted health care around once more. Which was a complete waste of time. And Klobuchar even said this. That Medicare For All isn't gonna pass right away anyway.
And Bernie gave an overall take too. That what it came down to was defeating Trump. That most of the details of the debate were irrelevant. And, he said he would support any of the candidates on stage who became the nominee. Which is contrary to what happened in 2016. Bernie seemed enthusiastic when he said this, irrelevant of the truth.
And the truth is Bernie is winning, and will probably win the nomination and the election and become our next President.
Whoa! Hold your horses there baby!
The pundits talking about McGovern? No one was passionate about McGovern, he was just a reasonable guy against the war in Vietnam. Sure, we were gonna support him, vote for him, but we didn't really care about him. We cared about Eugene McCarthy, who pushed the envelope when no one else would, in 1968. Hubert Humphrey was a pretty good guy, but the wrong guy for the times. People wanted to be passionate, they wanted change.
Just like today.
So proving that you can't predict the future, even though I just did, Bernie is more reasonable, even stronger since he had his heart attack.
Health issues used to doom you. But with a President who has had multiple divorces, never mind affairs, who got a scalp reduction and wears makeup...all the stuff that used to kill your candidacy no longer does, no matter how much the other side might harp on it.
But Bernie does look like he needs hearing aids. He kept putting his hand to his ear to hear. Now Klobuchar, even further away from the questioners, did this once too, but if Bernie needs to hear better, he should turn hearing aids into a good thing, Reagan did.
So if you take the temperature of the press, you have noticed that every paper has recently done a major article on Bernie Sanders saying he just might win the nomination. Nobody in these papers thinks this is a good thing, a lot of them believe he'd ruin the country, and they wouldn't vote for him, but...
The younger people will.
That's another canard, that young people won't vote. It's a new dawn folks. Young people have the most at stake, can you say "climate change"? They came out in 2018 and they'll come out even more in 2020, if they're passionate about the candidate.
I was talking to a rock star yesterday, a hero of the millennials, and he said his fans, the people he knows...if Elizabeth or Bernie are not nominated they're gonna stay home, not even bother to vote.
This is what happened in 2016. This is one of the reasons Hillary lost. A lot of these people stayed home or voted for Jill Stein.
They're not gonna now, if they believe there's a chance of real change.
Now we're gonna get a much clearer picture in a few weeks, when the vote begins. But let's say Bernie Sanders wins...
Is he gonna take your house back? Not allow you to make seven figures? As for Medicare For All, I point you to another "New York Times" opinion piece:
"How the Health Insurance Industry (and I) Invented the 'Choice' Taking Point. It was always misleading. Now Democrats are repeating it": https://nyti.ms/38dQxfZ
Wendell Potter was part of the disinformation campaign. He was VP of corporate communications at Cigna. He knows of what he speaks. That's right, the big companies spin to their advantage. Purdue Pharma said oxycontin was not addictive. The tobacco companies hid the perils of smoking. Oil companies hid climate change research. They didn't want to sacrifice. And instinctively you know this. That the man is not on your side.
And Bernie Sanders is standing up to the man.
Bernie's never wavered. Warren lost further credibility when she said she'd delay implementation of Medicare For All. Once you cave to the crowd, once you say what's expedient as opposed to what's in your heart, you're history.
As for extreme positions... Just look at our President. Middle of the road didn't defeat him!
But you're afraid of change.
But there's a huge number of Americans who are dying for it, some of them literally. Sure, the economy is humming, but not for many folks, who may be working but are underpaid.
It is not business as usual. The old rules no longer apply. And Trump has intensified the importance of the election. There's so much at stake, climate change, abortion, Supreme Court appointees, war... People are scared and they want to take action and all the talking heads can do is cite nearly fifty year old history. As if we're doomed, because nothing ever changes.
As for Bloomberg, he knows he's done. How do we know? Because he's already hedging his bets, he's already pledged to spend all that money on the nominee's campaign even if it isn't him.
Now as we get closer to Election Day, we will end up with just two candidates. People are familiar with Trump, but whomever the Democrats nominate will get the benefit of the spotlight. And when the light shines on Bernie they're gonna see someone who is confident in his positions, who does not waver.
You talk about history hurting him. But that's just history, it's not today, and the truth is we've all changed, we're all fallible and we want hope.
What did James Carville say?
IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID!
And that's exactly what Sanders is talking about. Do you have an economic future, can you pay your bills?
And what was Obama's slogan?
HOPE!
Biden's not offering any hope. Neither is Buttigieg. And Klobuchar's flame is flickering.
But Warren and Sanders are all about hope.
Get ready. The impossible is gonna happen. Get on the train early.
No one thought that a black man could win.
But he did.
We want someone to believe in, to get behind. That's the story of today, everybody's doing what's expedient, you can only believe in yourself, but now...
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That's the story of the social media age, we're all in our own cocoons, and we get the news via absorption as opposed to first hand.
The younger generation does not read the newspaper, certainly not they physical one, but the headlines do appear in their feeds, they get a facsimile of the news online.
As for oldsters?
Sure, they care, they vote the most, but except for a small coterie who live for the political game, most are hunkered down in their bunkers, deep into news that confirms their bias.
Furthermore, an incredible percentage of Democrats have ankled their Republican friends. When these righties start spouting the talking points the Dems feel their blood boil, and since you cannot convince someone to change their opinion in an argument, at best they'll reevaluate later, it's a personal stand to avoid interaction, and many do.
So we had a debate and few people watched. Tuesday night's affair had the lowest ratings for a debate so far.
But it was one of the best. By only having six candidates on stage there was coherence, everybody got time to respond, to not only the questioners but their fellow candidates.
Let's start with Tom Steyer. How he polled high enough to get in this debate flummoxes me. As for those who didn't qualify, they're done, toast. Marianne Williamson dropped out. Cory Booker punted. You may align with one of those excluded but still running, but it's a lost cause. Like a record, they've peaked, and no one is willing to invest in them anymore, not prodigious amounts, they want to focus on the winners.
Which brings us to Amy Klobuchar. The Trust Me candidate. Yup, she's from a red district, so she can beat the Orange Menace.
Only Minnesota is one of the most liberal states in the union. The rap is it's cold, but if you want a social safety net, if you want a cosmopolitan center, if you want elbow room and outdoor activities, move to Minnesota. The people there know this, everybody else is afraid of the weather.
So intellectually, we get Klobuchar. But we just can't get behind her emotionally. We agree she could do the job, she looks good on paper, it's just that it's hard to work up a passion about her.
Also, Amy's debating in an old fashioned style. Quoting experiences about her dad and her father, these tropes no longer work, especially after Joe the Plumber. You look rehearsed, when we're looking for spontaneity, humanity. Also, Amy was a bit off her game.
Buttigieg?
Smooth. Compared to the alta kachers on stage, he was a breath of fresh air, in that he was young, his memory was intact, he could turn on a dime, the only thing is he didn't run his own city so well and he's not believable, as in he's made the tactical decision to run to the center and there's little appeal for this. Yup, just like with the nation at large, Democrats are now tribal. Either you want drastic change or you want to keep what you've got and get rid of Trump. Pete falls somewhere in the middle, and that's nowheresville.
Which brings us to Biden.
I wish you'd watched this debate, because if you had there'd be no chance in hell you'd vote for Joe. He could not get the words out, he got confused. And sure, he was always this way, but now it's worse.
Joe gained a bit of steam at the end, but you wince when he starts to speak. Furthermore, you should read the opinion piece in the "Times," from a reporter in Iowa. Joe was speaking at a college and students were leaving. Because they disagreed with his viewpoints? No, because he was so boring!
"I'm a Reporter in Iowa. Here's What My State Is Looking For. We don't care about Biden's electability. We want excitement": https://nyti.ms/2syiaRV
Robert Leonard, the author of the above article, has it right, when so many in New York and D.C. have it wrong. He's on the ground, he interacts with voters. He's living it. And the truth is candidates are not math, they're people. Come on, ever have a crush on a beautiful person and after talking to them you have no desire to interact with them further? Yup, it's about more than looks, it's about personality, character. And we tend to adhere to those with rough edges, as opposed to those whose are smooth.
So Elizabeth Warren generates excitement. It's just that she blew it by repeatedly avoiding that question about paying for Medicare in that old debate and instantly she looked like a typical, two-faced, double-talking politician. I was for her. I'd still vote for her. But, you've got to deliver when the mic is on, and she did not.
That's another thing that was evidenced in this debate. Experience. Steyer didn't have it, he's still on the learning curve, of how to deliver in these circumstances.
And Elizabeth Warren is too.
No, the person with the most experience debating, who looked most comfortable on stage was...
Bernie Sanders.
Now Warren had the winning speech of the night, when she talked about the women on stage being the only ones who never lost an election. That resonated. But it was so deep in the debate that most people were not watching. You've got to kill in the first twenty minutes, after that it does not matter.
But if you did not watch and are paying attention to the scuttlebutt you'd think the debate was all about a war between Warren and Sanders over whether a woman can win. What he said, what she said.
But during the debate, that was handled graciously. Warren did not double-down on Bernie. She took the high road and triumphed.
But then she was petty after the debate and the blowback is now hurting her. Yup, that's the story of this debate, how she wouldn't shake Bernie's hand and she accused him of lying.
Do we care?
Not really. It's got nothing to do with running for President. And is there anybody paying attention who believes a woman cannot run and win? After Obama won twice and Hillary won the popular vote and a gay man polls high enough to be on stage?
But the truth is we're coming to crunch time. It's getting vicious. For not only the candidates, but their teams. Yup, if you've been canvassing forever, you want to win, you'll almost say anything to succeed.
So right after this debate was over, I went online to see what was being said.
Didn't look like the debate I watched.
Proving how powerful the media is.
It's not only Fox News. If you've got a substantial audience, you can sway public sentiment. So those not truly paying attention are not gonna get the real story, but a filtered one from someone with an interest in the game.
Now they batted health care around once more. Which was a complete waste of time. And Klobuchar even said this. That Medicare For All isn't gonna pass right away anyway.
And Bernie gave an overall take too. That what it came down to was defeating Trump. That most of the details of the debate were irrelevant. And, he said he would support any of the candidates on stage who became the nominee. Which is contrary to what happened in 2016. Bernie seemed enthusiastic when he said this, irrelevant of the truth.
And the truth is Bernie is winning, and will probably win the nomination and the election and become our next President.
Whoa! Hold your horses there baby!
The pundits talking about McGovern? No one was passionate about McGovern, he was just a reasonable guy against the war in Vietnam. Sure, we were gonna support him, vote for him, but we didn't really care about him. We cared about Eugene McCarthy, who pushed the envelope when no one else would, in 1968. Hubert Humphrey was a pretty good guy, but the wrong guy for the times. People wanted to be passionate, they wanted change.
Just like today.
So proving that you can't predict the future, even though I just did, Bernie is more reasonable, even stronger since he had his heart attack.
Health issues used to doom you. But with a President who has had multiple divorces, never mind affairs, who got a scalp reduction and wears makeup...all the stuff that used to kill your candidacy no longer does, no matter how much the other side might harp on it.
But Bernie does look like he needs hearing aids. He kept putting his hand to his ear to hear. Now Klobuchar, even further away from the questioners, did this once too, but if Bernie needs to hear better, he should turn hearing aids into a good thing, Reagan did.
So if you take the temperature of the press, you have noticed that every paper has recently done a major article on Bernie Sanders saying he just might win the nomination. Nobody in these papers thinks this is a good thing, a lot of them believe he'd ruin the country, and they wouldn't vote for him, but...
The younger people will.
That's another canard, that young people won't vote. It's a new dawn folks. Young people have the most at stake, can you say "climate change"? They came out in 2018 and they'll come out even more in 2020, if they're passionate about the candidate.
I was talking to a rock star yesterday, a hero of the millennials, and he said his fans, the people he knows...if Elizabeth or Bernie are not nominated they're gonna stay home, not even bother to vote.
This is what happened in 2016. This is one of the reasons Hillary lost. A lot of these people stayed home or voted for Jill Stein.
They're not gonna now, if they believe there's a chance of real change.
Now we're gonna get a much clearer picture in a few weeks, when the vote begins. But let's say Bernie Sanders wins...
Is he gonna take your house back? Not allow you to make seven figures? As for Medicare For All, I point you to another "New York Times" opinion piece:
"How the Health Insurance Industry (and I) Invented the 'Choice' Taking Point. It was always misleading. Now Democrats are repeating it": https://nyti.ms/38dQxfZ
Wendell Potter was part of the disinformation campaign. He was VP of corporate communications at Cigna. He knows of what he speaks. That's right, the big companies spin to their advantage. Purdue Pharma said oxycontin was not addictive. The tobacco companies hid the perils of smoking. Oil companies hid climate change research. They didn't want to sacrifice. And instinctively you know this. That the man is not on your side.
And Bernie Sanders is standing up to the man.
Bernie's never wavered. Warren lost further credibility when she said she'd delay implementation of Medicare For All. Once you cave to the crowd, once you say what's expedient as opposed to what's in your heart, you're history.
As for extreme positions... Just look at our President. Middle of the road didn't defeat him!
But you're afraid of change.
But there's a huge number of Americans who are dying for it, some of them literally. Sure, the economy is humming, but not for many folks, who may be working but are underpaid.
It is not business as usual. The old rules no longer apply. And Trump has intensified the importance of the election. There's so much at stake, climate change, abortion, Supreme Court appointees, war... People are scared and they want to take action and all the talking heads can do is cite nearly fifty year old history. As if we're doomed, because nothing ever changes.
As for Bloomberg, he knows he's done. How do we know? Because he's already hedging his bets, he's already pledged to spend all that money on the nominee's campaign even if it isn't him.
Now as we get closer to Election Day, we will end up with just two candidates. People are familiar with Trump, but whomever the Democrats nominate will get the benefit of the spotlight. And when the light shines on Bernie they're gonna see someone who is confident in his positions, who does not waver.
You talk about history hurting him. But that's just history, it's not today, and the truth is we've all changed, we're all fallible and we want hope.
What did James Carville say?
IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID!
And that's exactly what Sanders is talking about. Do you have an economic future, can you pay your bills?
And what was Obama's slogan?
HOPE!
Biden's not offering any hope. Neither is Buttigieg. And Klobuchar's flame is flickering.
But Warren and Sanders are all about hope.
Get ready. The impossible is gonna happen. Get on the train early.
No one thought that a black man could win.
But he did.
We want someone to believe in, to get behind. That's the story of today, everybody's doing what's expedient, you can only believe in yourself, but now...
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Wednesday 15 January 2020
Re-Whitney/Rock Hall
Preach on, Brother! They vote "safe," just like they create their records... and then wonder why there's no business....
Kevin Lamb
Whitney= AMAZING
Whitney in the RnR HOF = LAME
I'm also still pissed they screwed Dave Abbruzzese!
Stevie Salas
A fucking men! That's why our industry no longer has credibility. Thank you Bob.
Larry Stessel
AMEN!
what a bunch of idiots...
Tom "Smitty" Smith
Cox Media Group/S.P. Unlimited
Uh oh, here come the 'woke' crowd to play the 'You're a Nazi racist' card.
But yeah...great POP pipes and that's about where her talent ends.
You are so right - the R&RHoF is just a bunch of bullshit. Always was, always will be.
Bob Davis
We will all understand when Clive does the induction.
Steve Tipp
I agree with everything you said except if Todd Rundgren was a genius it was for "A Wizard, A True Star" and Something Anything. His production credits for others were good but his first 4 or 5 albums were truly great . I had the good fortune of seeing his band Utopia live in 1973 and the musicianship was as good as you get.
Irving Berner
And WARREN ZEVON! His absence alone exposes the R&RHOF as the ridiculous institution that it is.
Paul Slansky
This issue never seems to go away and Jan and the board just keep chuckling.
Years ago there was some poll from a local radio station and the top ten list as nominees included someone like The Cowsills or the Partridge Family or someone like that and I flipped. I sent a scathing email about Steve Miller not being on that list and then got into it with the DJ who posted it. When he found out I was a veteran band member he brought me in for an on air interview and so began my quest to get my boss inducted.
I actually became friends with the DJ who's real name was "Dusty Rhodes" ( I know can you believe it?!??) and I eventually met the program director Pepper Daniels who plays my new products from time to time that I write or produce.
But the Rock Hall is a joke as Miller went postal on in 2016 and I guess they are trying to induct more women now which was something our Joker cited.
But yeah, Whitney's "I Wanna Dance with Somebody" isn't exactly " Breakin the Law" that's for sure!
Kenny Lee Lewis
I agree with everything you said.
But she did sing the best Super Bowl National Anthem ever!
Kevin Drexler
This letter gave me pause. I adored Whitney. Just a marvelous voice and talent, but she was manufactured/creatively and personally flawed and had nothing to do with the R&R HOF. Good letter. jimmy risk
In my opinion, the list of inductees for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has been terrible from the very start. First off, why are we inducting acts that preceded and influenced rock into the hall of fame? If I go to the Baseball Hall of Fame, do I want to see a wall of cricket players? If I go to the Football Hall of Fame, do I expect half of the inductees to be Rugby or Soccer players? No! It's a bunch of snobs who think rock lacks legitimacy or have an inferiority complex deciding who gets the accolades. Are even a third of these inductees rock artists? https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/a-z
Travis Hanna
I call it the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Shame, as I'm sure many other people do as well. How in the fuck can Todd Rundgren be overlooked for so many years? Not only as a musician but as a producer! Sheesh! If it weren't for Kraftwerk, there would be no Depeche Mode or Nine Inch Nails! Quick, how many NIN songs can you name? Me...none, although I saw the open for David Bowie once, I couldn't tell you the name of one song or album they put out. The Doobies belong in there. They rode the classic rock wave and are still played on the radio. They have longevity and my old buddy John Cowan of New Grass Revival fame is playing bass for them now, so I'm opinionated, but Whitney Fucking Houston? Did she ever write a single song? I don't think so and I'm not going to go look. I'm over it!
Rodney Rowland
Bob. Isn't it obvious? Clive Davis. Tom Murphy
Yup. Whitney? Nah. Sad days.
dw davis
Right on Bob. I'm neither a critic, a musician, nor an industry player; just an long time fan. You said it all and then some. No Jethro or Pat or Todd? Absurd and disappointing!
Barry Wolfish
Bravo Bob ...certain that this is not what Ahmet had in mind.
Joseph Carvello
There should be a pop hall of fame. She'd be a good fit there.
No denying that she had the pipes - but so do the Three Tenors, and John McLauglin had the chops, and Bela Fleck can do inhuman things with the banjo in 13/4 time. None of that is rock & roll.
I must say, though, that Whitney is doing much better now, she hasn't done any drugs in almost a decade...
Best,
Darryl Mattison
Houston, we have a problem...
Ed Fleck
I told you this, once or twice. Said the same thing you did in the blog about Houston. But maybe you don't remember that and who cares? The voting doesn't mean shit. The place is a joke. Janet Jackson got in last year and was nowhere near the top 5. Fuck it. Fuck them. I'm gonna start a movement to vote the motherfucker out of existence. Useless shit heap. Shovel it into the fucking lake and let it bleed!
William Nelson
Beautiful voice. Beautiful person. Massive hits. Tragic end. This is hardly the description of what rock fans "hate." That said, Whitney would probably agree with you, if she hadn't "O.D.'d" as you so crassly recalled. Maybe she doesn't belong in the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame." But the "Pop Music Hall of Fame," if there was one? Abso-fucking-lutely. Maybe there should be, so rock purists like you don't have to trash the spirit of a tragic, but supremely talented, human being.
Cheers,
Morty Shallman
Once again, you hit a nerve!
Thank you for having the balls to go on the record!!!
- bob cozzi
Bob, I love you and agree with so much of what you say. But I think you're missing the point by pitting Whitney vs Pat - it implies there is only one spot for women. Which, sadly, looks true this year (again). I am Pat's biggest fan - but the reason she was snubbed was not because of Whitney's inclusion. It was because of the general exclusion of women. Remember Janet's call to arms last year?
All the best, Jay W
Yes. Yes. YES!!!
Lorin Finkelstein
Precisely!
Gary Poole
Thanks so much, for putting this out there. I can tell you are just as angry as I am.
Why does this keep happening? It's the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, not a popularity hall of fame!
Thin Lizzy, Priest, and Benatar (from this years ballot), should take the place of BIG and Whitney Houston. They are not rock. Nothing against them, but they don't belong. Letting Whitney Houston in, even considering her, weakens the status of every other act in there. Shame on them.
My boy Phil is shakin' his head somewhere in Ireland...
G
Bob: As usual, you nailed it. I would have bet that Judas Priest and Pat Benatar were inducted years ago. Thank you for blaming the dumb Grammy voters for Tull's win over Metallica. I was at the meeting where the committee allowed Tull to be entered in that category and the sentiment of the room, myself included, was that it would not be an issue since Tull wouldn't win. That was a fatal mistake.
Bob Paris
When Todd Rundgren was bumped last year by Janet Jackson I stopped voting.
Todd doesn't care.And now I don't care.
Clark Luster
Blah blah blah.
Really? Who fucking cares!
Be well,
Rich Zweiback
Well said!
Andy Martel
Right fuckin on as usual, Bob!!
Andrew M. Zacks
Out of touch rant. Why beat on Whitney over the real issue?
"Jan Werner" personal playground
is a fake institution ,did you forget
or are you on the team?
Best Regards
Toby Davis
WTF
You hit the nail on the head.
My question who owns her shit and hopes to make a buck?
TS
Ha. Here's how politics (ie bias,liberal,media-driven politics,imo!) infects modern dialogue writ large: I assumed you'd be on the side of Whitney Is Rock here, just because it was obviously common sense that the opposite is true (and the Right assumes the Left is foreign to common sense, oc)! Ha.
Speaking for all of your Right-leaning acolytes, well played, kind sir. Benatar's husband rocked and her drummer, quoting him now, had the best seat /view in R+R and was as under-rated as any rock drummer.
Love ya babe,
BK Mitchell
Kennett MO
(Sheryl's Sr Prom escort, I might add)
Sadly, your annual rant that I agree with 200%.
For me, Jethro Tull, but all the others you mentioned, and others that continue to be excluded.
I'll refrain from visiting the HoF until they get real.
Chris Wraight
Thin Lizzy! Hello?
Zakk Zedras
What a great critic! I happened to make a Spotify playlist with some excellent rock n' roll song references you wrote! Take a look!
Thanks a lot for it!
Priscila Catao
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0XKpUk98dPa9rgdzYSNWJA?si=hqKqhiLNRp2CO83CNOemFg
Dead on Bob..no pun intended…always glad when someone stands up for what's right and includes a dose of integrity. You delivered.
Let's hope the RRHF backs out of this one gracefully, if that's even possible.
Mikal Reid
I woke up this morning and read about Ms. Houston being inducted into the Hall of Fame. My reaction was WTF? Did she do some songs I don't know about? This lady was pretty; she was a Las Vegas type performer; BUT NOT A ROCKER.
It is scary to see this group of posers at Rock & Roll Hall of Fame who weren't even there when it was happening distort the history of Rock & Roll. I didn't know they had disqualified bands and singers like Jethro Tull, Kraftwerk, Pat Benatar, Soundgarden. Good Lord... what is this world turning into?
Those in generations to come who have any interest in Rock & Roll will need to remember, "Don't follow leaders, watch the parkin' meters..."
I live in Chicago and the city sold their parking meter operations to a venture capital group in order to raise short term cash to meet budget obligations. It saddens me to see government institutions sell public assets to private venture capitalists who then employ those assets "like a business" in order to squeeze more cash out of "we the people."
Rock spoke for the people. Rock will rise again some day.
Michael Hugos
Couldn't agree more!
Cam McIntosh
Here here, dude.
Vince Welsh
Long time reader, first time emailer. You nailed it… again. This is the final straw for me as a rock 'n roll fan. C'mon !
Straighten up and fly right RRHOF.
Is this what you all had in mind in 1986 ???
Gregg Quinn
Completely and totally unacceptable...
Just like the Oscar's, full of a bunch of pompous fools who are CLUELESS...
Mark
Never agreed with you more. What a crime!
Derek Hess
Devo, The Pixies, Sonic Youth etc....the list can go on.
Yes it's an honor, however, the show itself is a joke, with useless applauses and people thinking about the good old days when one song could convince someone to buy a whole album.
It's obvious the voters pick who they want. Kraftwerk, Motorhead, and Judas should have all gone in.
I agree Whitney was amazing, but she wasn't groundbreaking. Kraftwerk is 10x more influential.
And the Dave Matthews Band on the ballot? Great band, but I mean their contribution is getting fans to smoke weed and become trust fund hippies?
But ya know what, they'll have their party, Diddy will show up, and if you happen to be doing nothing on a slow summer night, maybe you'll watch it or maybe just binge watch Motorhead, Judas Priest, and Kraftwerk videos on YouTube.
-Dan Rosenberg in Bev Hills.
Thank you for your expressing what many of us felt today. And for pointing out just how great a band Jethro Tull was well before Aqualung!
Dick Wingate
Who the fuck thought putting Houston in was a thing???
The hall wasn't a great idea to begin with, but it now has zero cred.
Is there a way to uninvite Houston? Protest? Anyone?
So long RHOF, you're dead to me.
jojo max
How about Ted nugent ? Should he be in there ? Never mind politics.
ken deslippe
Whitney or Judas Priest...why complain now? This ship sailed long ago. With total respect to some of the greatest soul singers of all time: James Brown, Aretha, Ray (What'd I Say? well there's an arguable exception)...they're just not Rock and Roll. Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino: Legends! Marvin Gaye, Michael Jackson, even BB King...legends of something else altogether. It's kind of an insult to all of these monumental artists to deny them their true fans and place in the fabulous mosaic of music culture and history. Kind of like calling Kenny G (not Garrett) a jazz artist. Can't be in the same genre as Coltrane no matter how many bought the CD.
Richard Serotta
Yeah, I know what you mean Bob. It's strikes me as weird too. But even back in the 80's when the RNRHOF was started, they inducted Marvin Gaye one year, and then The Supremes another. "Rock 'n' Roll"??… definitely not in the way I think of the term lol. That would be like have an R'n'B/Soul HOF, and inducting The Foo Fighters, no??
So it seems that the meaning of the institution's title has always been a bit "off". They should just call it the Music Hall Of Fame, and leave it at that. I'm sure if most people were to go on Wiki and look at the list, they would be amazed at some of the artists that the HOF consider "Rock 'n' Roll".
I agree with you Bob, the term R'n'R implies edginess, rebellion, a rite of passage, a social commentary, people that have sweated and slummed it for their art, people that never gave up on swimming against the current. Half the artists that have been inducted have nothing in common with those traits at all, which surely lessens the accolade for those artists that actually do. Bizarre.
Simon Hosford
New name: The Hipster Hall Of Fame
Nothing to do with rock music for many years now.
Andrew McNeice
I went to the Hall for the first time a few years ago. There was a lot of dust on Biggy's suit and it made me sad. What was it doing near Billy Joel's gutted/abandoned old motorcycle? The rest of the exhibits looked similarly left-behind and lifeless. The plaque room or trophy room or whatever you want to call it is charmless. I was stunned that whomever's in charge allows the plaques to hang on a wall that meets at a long sharp angle in a corner, at which point the inductee honors actually touch each other. The place is Bush League and generally a bummer. Don't ask me about the gift shop prices!
Skip Roads
Boston, MA
Bob: I wish you had also mentioned WARREN ZEVON IS NOT IN THE RRHOF!!!!!
The eccentric and iconoclastic musician songwriter would appear to meet the requirements you lay out here on behalf of others!?
DOUG COLLETTE
Don't let your anger deter you from the fact that Whitney only broke the entire pop world. Ok, she's not rock, but The National Anthem alone should get her in. Hell, the players themselves don't even remember the game...just Whitney. An MJ level most will never achieve. Mariah was ridiculous (easily the best MTV Unplugged), but still nowhere near WH. Thought you had an ear, Bob.
jared
I 100% agree! I couldn't believe the list of those who got inducted, vs. the excellent, deserving MUST be a mistake list of those who didn't.
It's sad because I'm in the Rock business. It's been my passion and livelihood since 1987. We're slowly losing Rock history to the "faceless dudes" that are all over the industry who have too much power, and no real soul.
Thanks for sending your letter today. The industry needs to see it!
Trina Tombrink
When I got up this morning I was ready to send out congratulatory e mails to the guys in Soundgarden, Susan Silver and Vicky on what finally seemed like an overdue recognition of what they truly helped begin. I had always believed that the Rock Hall was supposed too represent ascending to the pinnacle of their craft but apparently I have been suffering under a terrible misunderstanding all these years.
So , I had my coffee put on the headphones and listened to Superunknown and for just a few minutes I remembered the feeling of working with a band that was at the very beginning of a change in direction of Rock and Roll. Then I took the headphones off and sent e mails to the guys , Susan Silver and Vicky telling them how sad I was that it didn't happen. I guess people that work with Todd, Little Feat and Jethro Tull have gotten used to sending those e mails..I have lost all faith in the ability of my peers to pay respect where respect is due..Sad...
Al Marks
Need I remind you that Bon Jovi is in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?
Larry Martin
Thank you. Blame Clive. Please say something about Joe Cocker...
Best
Jonathan Gross
Asinine! But go figure...look what happened to RollingStone with all the Puree'd Pap it covers now. They're both abominations. Is there a correlation? YUP! their directors have no fucking backbone. The Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame directors should all resign and/or have their lyin' asses fired.
Olie Kornelsen
THANK YOU, Bob. You've once again thoroughly and entertainingly articulated the instant feeling felt reading a news item like this one.
As the kids used to say during diss fights in Philly, 'Get 'EM!'
Rick Sorkin
Change the name from Rock and Roll to Pop Music Hall of Fame
Tim Barry
And The Meters.
PLUS, Leo Nocentelli is The Most Sampled Guitar Player in History. His licks appear in over 400 rap tunes. FOUR HUNDRED.
Not including the riffs Jimmy Page pulled from him.
The Meters aren't in the HOF? That makes no sense whatsoever.
No Meters, no rock n' roll. Period. Full stop.
Lee T. Guzofski
It hasn't been the "Rock & Roll" Hall of Fame for some time. It's the "Pop Music" Hall of Fame. You sell big and have a radio play track record, you're in.
Bob Kalill
agree 100%
Denise Mello
100% agree.
Paula Franceschi
Little Feat have never even been on the ballot, how is that possible?
Bob Waugh
Right on! Here's a thought: Can you imagine Jim Morrison, Iggy Pop, Lou Reed or even Mick Jagger (just to mention a few) auditioning for any of these dipsh*t reality TV contests? Uncle Lou knocking out Heroin - now that would be entertaining! Down to a person, they'd all be dismissed for their unsavory attitudes. Doesn't that say it all? Really?
Cheers,
James "Nox" Tuboid
Thanks for standing up for Tull. It still amazes me that a Rock act that could sell out 5 nights @ Madison Square Garden still has to wait
Yes Ian is my Friend But this is just plain ridiculous
Kevin Sutter
And that rapper dude too? This is the Rock and Roll hall of fame? Or is it just some sort of general-duty-all-purpose-music hall of fame? Obviously, the latter.
Byron Udell
Preach it Bob!!!!!
Hamr77
Excellent Bob...stay away from politics..MAGA
david goodrich
Fuckin A bubba!
Tom Crowley
I wish I could take credit for this line but all credit to stalwart musician/tour manager/author/sage/social commentator Danny Bland:
"Being upset about the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame nominees is like going to Chuck E Cheese and being outraged by the pizza."
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10221081905978448&set=a.1074771150654&type=3&theater
dave dederer
I don't understand how Depeche Mode can be in before Kraftwerk! One doesn't exist without the other.
Steve Hormell
Motorhead. Was, IS, and will always be the real shit.
Jimmy Pargas
If you think the rock hall is irrelevant now, wait until two years from now. Next year they'll kill off the last of the great white buffalo by inducting the Foo Fighters. And after that there's virtually no more first ballot hall of famers anywhere on the horizon.
Trashy Ashell
Well said Bob, you know your gonna get blow back on this one but that's why I read you, fuck'em!!
Doug Gillis
You're exactly right. That place is phenomenal to visit but the inclusions and exclusions boggle the mind. To borrow a phrase from Dandy Don Meredith, "Turn out the lights. The party's over." Are England Dan and John Ford Coley in their yet? Probably; for singing Todd's Love is the Answer.
I quit.
Respectfully submitted,
Harold Love
Amen, Bob!
Ciceroness
?Ok, a bit bias on my part , but, what about Rickie Lee Jones a real artist, before Whitney Huston. She may be a great singer , but just that, a singer. And certainly no relationship to rock and roll.
Ron Stone
Hear you BUT grateful that Nine Inch Nails are finally getting inducted!
This is just like when the Grammy's nominated Beyoncé for Best Rock Performance for " "Don't Hurt Yourself".
Long live rock n roll.
Rachel Hacken
Enough of the "R'n'R Hall of Fame": they have no creditability whatsoever, in their efforts to be inclusive, they've forgotten it's not 'the Music Hall of Fame'. Whitney? Notorious B.I.G.? Gimme a break.
You nailed the usual suspects who belong in the "...Hall..." but in the late 60's and into the 70s, you couldn't avoid Steppenwolf. They were inescapable on the radio, they were in film, they created anthems that still resonate. "Born To Be Wild"., "Magic Carpet Ride", "Rock Me", "Monster" and "Pusher". They epitomized rock in the day...and for me, they still do.
Arny Schorr
Could not agree more. Incredible pipes wasted on shitty pop music. This isn't rock n roll by any definition. It's corporate MTV era garbage, a footnote in music history. Again, talent does not = greatness.
Jamie Voss
Totally agree with all that you have said. I grew up in the MTV generation and pat benatar waa the queen.
Todd Appelbaum
Preach it Bob-
Thin Lizzy...gets nada. When the truest bad boy persona meets an Irish rocker poet....Phil Lynott who sang of bar brawls but left you with the poignancy of Yeats and James Joyce... and what we get instead is yet another inductee who sang on soundtracks for second rate movies. Dollars before sense, commerce before art.
And Todd, and Priest, and Soundgarden and......
The Hall of Fame is a joke...
Trent Keeling
Two Words: Clive Davis
Regards,
Robert Bradshaw
Thanks Bob,Whitney was one of Clive's girls.Will he get Alicia Keyes in next?Stay well Bob,have a great day,Ted Keane
Chake & Rufus -- who did break new ground as a funk bank fronted by a woman -- deserved to be in the Hall of Fame before Whitney, who while talented and popular, wasn't really a game changer.
Mike McCann
In response to your Whitney tirade... R&RHOF is for wankers and your spot on Bob... Whitney's there for one reason Clive Davis.... and for inclusion as a woman of color ... which is more important than substance ...
Silver Hammer
I couldn't agree with you more Bob. did you see the results of the fan votes? And how many people voted? Only one act, the Doobie Brothers, out of the top five fan votes got in. Pat & Neil were in second place in the fan voting Priest was at no.5! What the hell is that all about? they do fan voting for two months only to ignore the results… What's the point of this?? #RockHallofShame
J J W
I agree with every word you say. But I have one question for you: why do you care so much? Who gives a shit about the RRHF? From the day they announced that there would be a RRHF, I have ignored it. Invisible corporate tastemakers deciding for me who the best bands were? No thx, fuck off. It's only because you're so plugged in that you care so much. "Turn off your mind and do yourself a favor" - I forget which nonRRHF band sang that lyric in the 1990s. The song was "Like a Bird that You Can't See" (or something like that), and it's in my own R&R Song Hall of Fame.
Ira Fader
Bob - You're whining about Whitney? Miles Davis is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. His ghost pukes on that.
Joel Selvin
Thank you! My God I can't believe Houston AND a rapper. NO BENATAR??? AGAIN!??
I hope that place burns down.
Keith Michaels
Bob, you admittedly know a lot about rock music, no doubt, but you're out of your depth here commenting on Whitney Houston's contributions to music. I agree that putting Whitney in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is entirely nonsensical, but she was perhaps the greatest pure singer of her generation and an influence on many, many young R&B vocalists who came after her. I represent some of those singers, and I've heard them and others in the industry speak of her with reverence and awe. With all due respect, you're really not in a position to make an informed comparison of Whitney vs. Mariah's influence on R&B music, and the "bad girl" comment was really unnecessary and distasteful. Sorry, your columns are very enjoyable but sometimes you need to recognize when you've veered outside your expertise! You could have made the same point without dumping on a deceased artist who isn't here to defend herself.
Robb W. Patryk | Partner
Hughes Hubbard & Reed LLP
You're wrong about this, Bob.
She opened doors for so many women that followed. Her songs were staples for 25 years. She changed the way every R&B singer stylized their voice ever since. Judas Priest? Soundgarden? Legacy is important. Ask any singer. Cornell was amazing.
But put a hit list together and ask anyone.
Just sayin.
Dino Soldo
Truth
Eliza Neals
Only got so far with this , bob. You keep going to the fame puddle and expecting a different result. Just sing along with me in your best ian hunter voice " all, all the gay dudes ..."
Love the line about the OD.
Abrazo from highway 5
Andrew Loog Oldham
Freakin' AMEN to all of that. Jethro Tull's exclusion is the most criminal of all. But also agree about the impact and influence of Pat Benatar. Judas Priest yes. Rundgren yes.
Andy Kantor
Until The Replacements and/or Paul Westerberg get a nod I have zero interest in the Grammys. None. Whitney Houston had one of the most beautiful voices in all of pop music. But if that's Rock 'n Roll then Jimi Hendrix redefined Klezmer.
Gary Frahm
Spot on Bob!!
Kevin Williamson
Grand Funk Railroad will never be in the rock hall and all three can still play and you're right. I wanna dance with somebody? Best thing Whitney ever did was her Star Spangled Banner. Then she became a crackhead and lost her chops, comeback was not good despite Oprah interview making it out to be as if her voice still held up. Yes Mariah is more relevant,
Greg McLoughlin
Toots and the Maytals should be in the HOF
Chris Stein
All you can do with the Jann Wenner Hall of Memorabilia is ignore it. We all have our favorite omissions - mine are The Meters and Gang of Four - but harping on them will have no effect. This is a place that votes in Depeche Mode and not Kraftwerk. And always will.
David Frail
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a farce. It's a made up list by Rilling Stone magazine. It's capricious. It's meaningless. Who cares what Jann Wenner wants?
Jim Holm
Well done, well done
Wallace Sanders
All true, but no surprise. The rock 'n' roll Hall of Fame has been a joke for years.
- Bruce Gow
While I didn't hate Whitney Houston by a long shot, she was no rock and roller. Not one single song. It is off they're inducting her. There are so many artists I can think of as being more worthy.
Best,
Mark Friese
Bob, Have to agree with you. Just worried your liberal friends will criticize you for being anti-diversity!!
Richard Rosenberg
Right on with your Hall of Fame comments, Bob
All I would add is "where's Little Feat?". I'm done caring about the place…But your Jethro Tull comments are spot on. Keep up the good work.
Stephen Rickles
Thanks for giving Pat Benatar the credit she deserves - I couldn't agree more. Listening to her records in high school settled any debate about rock being a boys club. Along with the Wilson sisters, she blazed the trail for the next generations of legit female rockers like Lzzy Hale, Lacey Sturm, Amy Lee, Korey Cooper & Jen Ledger - all continuing to keep rock very much alive! Fire & Ice and Hell Is For Children rock as hard as anything before or since!!
dubbs
JW CLARKE | BIRDHOUSE GROUP
ha! very funny indeed. like inducting a disco artist.
does anyone really pay attention to RRHF anymore?
now i can dig me some whitney, she was great for what she was, insane singer, top shelf pedigree, super catchy songs and some of the DOPEST production, engineering and arrangements but it is kinda the opposite of rock. sound and ethos.
she's pop thru and thru. should be inducted into pop hall of fame next to Streisand and Cher
her mom may have had more of an influence on the sound of rock then she did.
oh well god rest her soul, poor gal lost a battle
Jeremy Backofen
Hey Bob-
Re: Whitney Houston in the Rock & Roll "Hall Of Fame"
Two words: JOE FUCKING COCKER
What complete bullshit.
CJ Vanston
Whitney Houston in the HoF is all about the narcissist in chief of the music business, Clive f'ing Davis. Loves himself as much as Trump.
Chris Connaker
Pat Benatar's "Promises In The Dark" was one of the best songs of the 80's - including fantastic guitar work by Neil Giraldo!
At least the Doobie Brothers finally made it in. A well-deserved honor for a great band!
Patrick Whitaker
I don't usually get drawn into these arguments every year, but - two words: Thin Lizzy.
(Plus Cissy was cooler, anyway)
HugoBurnham
I don't always agree with you, but you'll get no argument on this one. So many acts belong in the Hall of Fame, but not Whitney.
Tim Drake
I LOVED this screed. The RRHOF is a truly worthless institution but more than any act whom you mentioned, the omission of The Smiths proves that.
Beware of darkness,
Nigel Russell
Not keen on your politics but you are spot on! Everyone should Inundate the RNRHOF Instagram page with the middle finger icon! That is what Rock is. Saying Fuck You to the man! This is utter bullshit!
John McGraw
Whitney - great voice, but I'm with you. My mouth fell open when I saw that! And I'd been listening to Sirius classic rock stations with the "fan vote" count for weeks. No mention of Whitney. Whitney????
Did Clive Davis rig this?
J. Coulter
Hmmm, interesting rant!
Where did Rock & Roll come from? I'll answer; Well there 'Rumble' and Link Wray, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Little Richard, Chuck Berry i.e. the Blues & Gospel, before Elvis, Bill Haley and The Beatles or The Stones or any of those who came after who began to call it 'Rock' as to lose the 'Roll'! Shall we quibble over semantics or who owns what or who gets the right to call what, what?
Just sayin' & keepin history honest!
Nona Hendryx
Her Mom was a good singer.
Barry Lyons
I lost all respect for the RRHOF when they started inducting Rappers and Hip Hop. Granted it is a form of music (well in some peoples opinion). But they should have their own institution honoring artists. There are tons of bands out there that deserve induction. Little Feat comes to mind because of their influence on Rock music and on aspiring artists. Plenty more. T-Rex? Really?
Chris Lagemann
This seals it, there is absolutely no meaning to this institution or awards. Just another money grab and I'm no longer sure for who.
Robert Heiblim
a gigantic AMEN! to all of that!! Whitney and not Pat Benatar is reason enough to riot!
The RRHOF is a fucking joke. Thry just need to close the doors, or start inducting clowns into the hall too. Oh wait, they already have.
Paul Bordenkircher
Hi Bob,
It started with Madonna.
David Cameron
Even worse for me is overlooking Little Feat.
Mike Donahue
Couldn't believe it either. SPOT ON again Bob.
Don't mean to be a hater but can't wait to see comments, blowback for those in support of her inclusion.
Steve Anderko
Are you angry Bob?
I feel like your angry.
I is just the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. What could be more meaningless?
Michael A. Becker
Rufus & Chaka Khan should have made it in. You failed to mention them. This is the 3rd year they've been robbed.
Chaka before Whitney anytime!
Frank Sheffield
True that Bob.
Rich Harris
Preach!!
Joshua Resnick
I agree...Kraftwerk, Todd, Soundgarden certainly should be in but I have to say that I'm very happy to see T-Rex recognized...
Michael Rosenblatt
i think rock doesn't mean what you think it means anymore.
*ducks*
Amanda Palmer
I'm afraid they don't know what rock-n-roll means, Bob. It's certain they don't know what it means to us!
Anthony Iannarino
Totally agree!! Whitney Houston had talent, but it's not rock and roll. (Personally I can't stand that acrobatic vocal style, but others obviously love it.) May as well induct John Williams. He is one of the greatest and most influential composers of the last 50 years. But it's not rock - so he doesn't get in.
Todd Rundgren is a wizard, a true star who could (and still can) do it all. And no Jethro Tull?? What the hell??? Oh well, at least we got The Doobies. It's just a shame (and a scam) it took Irving Azoff to get them there...
Rich Madow
I know you did this to get a rise out of folks, but anyway, relax. There are absolute pieces of trash in the Hall of Fame that couldn't tie Whitney's shoelaces.
Sum
Spot on. Todd was screwed for being more creative than popular.
Makes a Cleveland boy sad even though we know it's a NYC kind of thing.
Bob Cayne
That is some serious bullshit.
Pete Ballou
The same world that voted Jethro Tull's Crest of a Knave the best Hard Rock/Metal Performance over Metallica and AC/DC.
Not that we don't all love Tull! But it shows how little the people in charge of these things (award shows, halls of fame, whatever) often know about the topic they're curating.
Chris Beytes
Amen and Awomen.
Jill Douglas
Thanks for mentioning Kraftwerk!
rsands9
Amen.
Chuck Mitchell
PREACH Bob Lefsetz!!
Robb Flynn
You are right in your assessment of some deserve to be in the R&R HOF - as a hometown guy who was at this show and countless others, I thought I'd send you what passed for the essence of Rock & Roll here in Detroit in the late 60's - this was a free concert at Wayne State University's football field - this is the definition and embodiment of what we called Rock&Roll in Detroit, but the MC5 still are not in the "real" RR HOF, but Whitney Houston and Biggie are - WTF - the RR HOF is kinda like the Grammys - irrelevant and something for newspaper music critics and TV Magazine shows to go on and on about - this is the real deal, this is what headline bands hated to follow at the Grande Ballroom. enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74jS3dW0DtE
Love your blog.
Jim Gilmore
Detroit.
Wait, hang on, I visited the rock hall back in 2011 and I could have sworn there was a Todd Rundgren display. Is it possible to have a display but not yet be inducted?
Nick Benko in Windsor (Canada's motor city)
Agree with every word you wrote. Whitney Houston gets into the Rock and Hall of Fame while Todd Rundgren, MC5, Warren Zevon, Pat Benetar and Jethro Tull are all once again left out? No legitimacy left for the R&RHoF . . . what little was left. This organization no longer has any connection to the Rock & Roll we grew up with. Whitney Houston is the antithesis of Rock & Roll. If her "credentials" put her in, then Barbra Streisand should be in because she did everything Houston did only FAR, FAR better in every way. But of course, nobody would think of putting her in, because she's not a rocker. Well, neither was Whitney Houston. Rock & Roll blasphemy is what this is.
Oh yes, we're going to go to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame to see exhibits about Elvis Presley, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen, Led Zeppelin… and Whitney Houston? I don't think so.
Russ Paris
I'm melisma-ed out. Some of the singers sound like the emotion is going to burst unless they birth it out the appropriate orifice.
I suspect Clive Davis ran Whitney and possibly her mother did too.
I just read that Robin Crawford book. Not sure, as usual, what to believe in a celeb book. Crawford said Davis made her wear extensions so she'd look more European than black and would appeal to a broader audience.
I thought Whitney had a haunting quality at times to her voice. She was less over-the-top than Mariah who always jammed in those whistle register notes. We knew with an opera singer mother, M had the chops, but she never let us forget it. I wonder if she can sing actual ariahs with the Met divas or is content to hit a whistle note here and again. She did change once she got away from Tommy Matolla and explored rap. I still can't understand why M had 50 bridesmaids at her wedding. Even for show biz that's much. Mariah did do some very nice stuff in the 1990s, Fantasy sampling Genius of Love by the Tom Tom Club, Butterfly, Dream Lover. She obviously never succumbed to the temptations of drugs as Whitney did even before Mr. Brown entered the picture. Whitney is supposed to have Said "Cocaine can't go where we're going." But alas it sure did! Her daughter and daughter's boyfriend are both gone not even a decade later.
David
I'm sure You already know all this. Here's what I told my friend earlier:
It's not about if the artists or band plays Rock or Rock n Roll. It's been this way for too long and they prob should have just Renamed it, "The MUSIC Hall of Fame." — Listening to SiriusXM this morning who were LIVE from the Hall, they were saying that it's not Just rock or rock n roll music. It's the Spirit of rock n roll, if the person/band was Innovative or Influential. It's also not about record sales or how many hits you had in the Top ____. — Just look at T-Rex who had a minor hit here with "Bang A Gong", but (& like many others) they were MASSIVE in the UK in the early-mid 70's. HUGE!! So of course they were influential to many bands who came after. SWEET is another band who some might say are deserving, & they had even more hits Here in the 70's.
Lastly, & I've said this many times, the "Fan Vote" only counts a SINGLE SOLITARY Vote. One Vote. So if Band A gets 3.6M votes to win, it means nothing. It's just something the hall does to help drum up publicity.
There's between 900-1000 Voters. They vote & that's it. Once an artist or band gets in, then they are eligible to vote also.
Lastly, among many others, Missing from the Rock 'N Roll Hall Of Fame:
1. Foreigner
2. Iron Maiden
3. Judas Priest
4. Duran Duran
5. Motörhead
6. Mötley Crüe
7. Scorpions
8. Ozzy Osbourne (solo)
9. Megadeth
10. Huey Lewis & The News
11. REO Speedwagon
12. Kansas
13. Boston
14. Foghat
15. Little Feat
etc., etc. lol
Steve Sequeira
Big questions like "what is rock and roll?" were a lot easier when the
possible answers included Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis,
etc.
That was in the beginning.
For me, the R&RHOF+M jumped the shark when it threw chronological order
out the window.
When the influencees got in before the influencers.
One of the very few things baseball has right is that time and place in
history matters.
I know this is a sensitive time to say this but Rush should never have
gotten in before Jethro Tull and Procol Harum.
Dave Matthews was in consideration this year while Little Feat and Los
Lobos are on the outside looking in.
Neither of these bands are my particular brand of vodka but The Sex
Pistols before the MC5?
I?m a Rundgren guy and I feel pretty much the same way he does about
induction- who cares?
The body of work is the validation.
The voting is like the (fill in the blank) Grammys, Oscars, Emmys, etc.
Fun to bitch about every year but consistently meaningless.
On the flip side, I have been to the R&RHOF+M several times and the
artifacts are pretty great.
Some give me goosebumps.
Ho Hum. So Whitney got inducted and Judas Priest, Soundgarden and Todd Rundgren didn't... Why would these bands who have legions of fans and who have had and continue to have great careers in music care? Rock music has always been anti-establishment so I fail to see why any of these acts give a toss about the pro establishment RARHOF. Personally I'd like to see each and everyone of them tell the rock hall to go get... just like the Sex Pistols did. If every one of these acts just ignored the rock hall there wouldn't be one and they therefore wouldn't have to worry about getting inducted/nominated and could just continue to make music which at the end of the day is what it's all about.
Chris Xynos
Here's an anecdotal "Tull Tale" for you.
As you know, back in the early 70s when I was running Michigan State University's concert program, we produced an incredibly wide variety of shows of all shapes and sizes. One day in 1973, I got a call from someone at Premier Talent Agency—seem to recall it was Frank Barsalona. Turned out another college's date for one of his acts had fallen through (Ohio State) and he was wondering if I could pick it up. The date was exactly one week away and the band was Jethro Tull. It seemed like an impossible task—organizing everything that goes into packaging such a major production in just seven days. I mean, could I even get tickets printed??? But the deal he was offering seemed pretty bulletproof: A 90/10 split after expenses; tickets at $4.00; general admission. Now at the time, Jethro Tull was red hot—especially in Michigan where the band had built a huge following through many, many shows in Detroit, starting with the Grande Ballroom. At the time, their newest studio album, A Passion Play, had just come out and had debuted at #1. So, what the fuck, I told him to stand by and called our MSU's Athletic Department to check on the availability of the basketball facility, Jenison Fieldhouse. 9000 seats. The date was open. So with much trepidation, but embodying the craziness of that era, I booked Jethro Tull. Needless to say, our student organization went into overdrive—the staging specs were incredibly complex (we had to build it from scratch), pulling together the advertising to get the word out, hiring all of the university personnel (like state cops for security), even getting the contracts signed, and yes, getting the tickets printed, etc, etc. As the timing worked out, the only way we could pull it off was to put the 9000 tickets on sale the day BEFORE the show! No advance sales. Gulp! And so we did. The lines at our 3 or 4 ticket outlets were insane that day, but by golly, the damn thing went clean. Next night, Jethro Tull hit the stage in front of 9000 crazed fans and completely blew them away. It was an EVENT—and as about as spontaneous as it could be. Now, I'm not a big fan of Tull, but I can tell you that what went on that night at MSU was a bona fide rock n roll experience, deserving of a place in the RnR HOF.
And oh yeah, Ian Anderson was most definitely not a warm and fuzzy guy that night.
Hugh Surratt
I've felt that the Hall has been bullshit for a long while, but I still loved seeing some of my heroes jam together one more time. But, I had no idea how low they'd sink. I mean, isn't there goat to get ratings from the artists performing on the damn TV show?…so why pick deceased Whitney?! As Hüsker Dü sang, it makes no sense at all! (I needed to throw in a snooty, indie/college rock reference as a musical sorbet to clean the Whitney out of my mouth) Jethro Tull was my first favorite group in the 70s when I was a teenager, and we fans embraced the fact that non-fans weren't passive, they HATED the band…we expected the critics to hate them…so we're good with the critics still deriding ol Ian! (although it warms my heart to have you, Bob, write about them so intelligently and supportively) Fans and non-fans would agree that we don't want Tull inducted ever! Equally stupid is omitting maybe the single most prolific, and ridiculously talented and ground breaking artist/musician/producer/composer of the entire rock era, Todd Rundgren. It's a joke he hasn't been inducted. He's not just an avant garde and critic darling, he had HITS! TONS! Especially if you include his productions. And Pat Benetar burst open the door that Janis, Grace, Joni, and Stevie built! It was the second video ever on MTV after the Buggles! I could (almost) handle these gross omissions if they weren't inducting Whitney. LAME.
Gary Helsinger
It's called "intersectionality" by the far left PC youngsters..The more points one has, according to how far they veer from the white hetero male paradigm, the higher up the societal ladder they will be, once the New World Order is established..THAT'S where we are right now..Trump is the opposite and equal reaction..Whitney has enough points to appease those keeping score..
"Western Stars" was overlooked by the Grammies..Bruce has less than zero intersectionality points..Genius Asians get rejected from Harvard, to make room for a more diverse roster..
THAT'S the kind of CFUWorld we live in..
James Spencer
Greetings from Denver. Long time reader/listener here. There's been many times when I've wanted to write or call into to complain or agree with you but never did...until now. My bday is coming up and on a whim I decided that I wanted to visit the RnR HOF as a gift to myself. I've always wanted to go for only one reason: check out the exhibits for the rockers in the Pantheon: Berry, Holly, Elvis, Beatles, Stones and all their peers. I also want to see the stuff that they have from true originals like Prince and Dylan. Hell, I'd probably even stop and read the exhibit for Patti Smith because of all the reasons you listed, even though I'm not a fan.
I think the HoF lost me when it inducted Afrika Bambaataa several years back. I give him credit for inspiring the first generation of rappers. But is that rock and roll? I know you've already covered this topic before. Anyway, my point is that I've been preparing myself for how I would conspicuously avoid all the stuff in the HOF that's related to those who really don't deserve to be there (list of names is long). I'm assuming that I'll spend enough time studying the guitars and stage props from the Stones that I won't have time to waste on exhibits that have no place there.
And now, with this announcement that Whitney Houston will be inducted and Todd Rundgren won't? WTF? I'm not even a fan of his either but I know enough to realize that he's done more for rock and roll over the years than many other inductees combined!
So, do I just cancel the whole f-ing trip in protest or do I go and just brace myself to be pissed off? Nah, I'll go. It's like watching Fox News. Know thine enemy, as the saying goes.
Rant on, Bob.
Michael from Denver
P.S. I listen to my music through a couple of Marantz receivers that I've had to refurbish a couple of times and a pair of those vintage JBLs like you have.
Great piece of the RRHoF selections
I concur on Whitney.
A shanda that Pat Benatar is out and Whitney in.
I wonder if she fronted a band formally with hubby Neil if that "wrapping" would have garnered her further consideration.
Further Whitney getting in means all the bubblegum and related acts of the 60/70s ought to be in. Certainly more deserving (I am not advocating it though, just emphasizing the hypocrisy.
Very happy on The Doobies.
They are still great live.
You are so right on Ian Anderson and Tull.
I enjoy and fondly recall T Rex and "own" much of their music: Jeepster and Bang A Gong so standout against their other songs so I am not sure I'd consider him for the hall; albeit others in the hall merit it less than Marc Bolan.
And of course the absence of Poco continues to bother this correspondent.
Thank you for this opportunity to vent.
Corey Bearak
But isn't the very nature of Rock and Roll the idea of something existing and thriving where it shouldn't? The rebel, the outcast, those who go against the grain? I think you're confusing what became the music genre of Rock and Roll with the Culture of Rock and Roll. While Whitney's music may not fit within the confines of the genre, same as any Rapper who's been inducted into the Hall of Fame, but her whole career and life story is the very definition of Rock and Roll.
Her induction is not to state that Soundgarden and Judas Priest aren't Rock and Roll just like Black Lives Matter doesn't state that ONLY Black Lives Matter. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Everyone is entitled to their own, educated, opinion. Why not celebrate the evolution of what it means to be a Rock Star? Why disrespect the legacy of a musician who cannot defend themselves as if it were their fault that their peers felt it was right to induct their legacy?
Whitney Houston dominated the charts, pop charts, but last I checked pop generates more money than the genre of Rock in any year. Not to mention as a Black woman. You mentioned Mariah Carey has more of an influence than Whitney Houston, but you forget that Mariah had once stated how Whitney Houston was a big influence for her. Also to note, Whitney had an acting career which began with a Box Office hit with the Body Guard. I don't need to list her accolades because her induction speaks for itself.
There's no need to bash someone's career in order to show appreciation for another's. Multiple truths can exist at once and occupy the same space. Especially if it's clear that you could never replicate or do better than what that person has done. At that point you're just another talking head. And we know how much you love those.
Do better,
Sincerely,
Bob J. McNeil
A Black Millennial
This is spot on! Whitney Houston, despite her success, is a product of the pop machine... where the artist is made from millions of dollars in marketing, promotion, and production. Sure, she had a phenomenal voice, but her talent was only a piece of a much larger puzzle. I'm sorry, but WH was not an "artist". She was manufactured, like so many other pop stars. No doubt, she made a lot of people a lot of money, so you can certainly recognize her success. But Rock N Roll Hall of Fame? No fucking way. That should be reserved for game changers, artistic masterminds (love the Kraftwerk example) and gifted artists that blazed new trails and the record labels were LUCKY to have them. It's as if they're trying to fit Whitney into the hall of fame because she rebelled against the productization of her image and said fuck you to her makers by flaming out with drugs and alcohol. But at the end of the day, she changed nothing in music and only fed the egos of her puppet masters! But I'm sure those people see it differently.
Eric Murphy
Meanwhile, we've been trying to get Bill Aucoin, the original manager of KISS, Piper, Starz, Toby Beau, New England and Billy Idol (and let's face it, 5th KISS member) inducted. Years long campaign and a gazillion signatures and photo ops and...nada.
One of my pet peeves, (with awards and inductions) is how some artists can crossover AND also be eligible for those crossover awards. By the same token, other artists cannot. That's not fair.
Example: As a CMA and NARAS member, one year I received the preliminary voting ballots...Brooks and Dunn were up for - Best Duo and Best Group. WTF? Are they a group or are they a duo?
But yeah...you're right...she was an amazing talent, but she was NOT rock and roll!
Sher Bach
Axl Rose had the right idea. He asked the questions about qualifications and declined the induction.
"I still don't exactly know or understand what the Hall is or how or why it makes money, where the money goes, who chooses the voters and why anyone or this board decides who, out of all the artists in the world that have contributed to this genre, officially "rock" enough to be in the Hall?"
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/axl-rose-apologizes-to-cleveland-for-hall-of-fame-snub-186973/
Dave Conklin
Your first sentence explains it. Crazy f'd up world for sure and it continues to be a shame that the HOF does this most years and will continue. Have no idea why they still call it Rock & Roll when it should change to Music Hall by now. I have been involved in music for 39 years on the business and creative side and the artists you mention ie Tull, Todd, Soundgarden, Benatar, Priest and others are Rock & Roll. No saving it unfortunately unless Jann or whoever is in charge now overhauls it and they won't and I am sure they love hearing us old farts complain about it. I was there at the shows in the 70's and beyond as well as sold the 8 tracks, cassettes, albums, cds, dats, etc. I try to explain to people that ask me each year about how these choices are made but know the powers that be do not care. Rock n roll started in the 50's and music was changed forever and to not acknowledge or remember how huge the above artists you mention are or others like stadium filling artists (yes stadiums) Grand Funk Railroad, Johnny Winter, Iron Maiden, Robin Trower, plus Joe Cocker, Zevon, Steppenwolf, Tina Turner, Carole King, Thin Lizzy, and many others i could think of is wrong for them and fans. Why it took so long for Rush, KISS, Yes, Steve Miller, Journey, Doobies, Heart and others in recent years is still just strange to people who know and love Rock & Roll like you and me.
Peace,
Van Fletcher
...and what about the innovative groundbreaking music of blending country with rock by Richie Furay. Hey, what's that sound he started in Buffalo Springfield with "A Child's Claim To Fame" and "Kind Woman"? It's today's Americana music. Richie then continued his Inventive creativity to the his next group Poco with their first and critically acclaimed album and title track "Pickin' Up The Pieces". Have you listened to "A Good Feelin' To Know" recently. Its timeless! It sounds as fresh today as it did in 1972.
Before the Eagles, Glenn Frey sat on Richie's Laurel Canyon living room floor watching Poco rehearse before they debuted their live act at the Troubadour. And future members of the Eagles were there at those first shows.
Prior to Glenn's death, at an Eagles show in Denver, he pointed Richie out to the audience and said, "If not you you, we wouldn't be here". High praise indeed! Richie & Poco set the original template that others would follow to far greater success and subsequent RRHOF induction. Yet, they were the first definitive country-rock band.
Not even a Rock Hall nomination for Richie and Poco. Something's happening here, what it is IS exactly clear...
David Stone
Manager for Richie Furay
I'm reading your post as I'm on a flight leaving Cleveland where we made the official Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2020 induction class announcement on Volume this morning.
Part of me agrees with almost every single word you wrote. I've been pounding the table about the lack of "rock" in the hall for years.
The other part of me approaches it from a realistic view. I think at this point, people have to stop getting hung up on the name. It's clearly a popular music Hall of Fame now. The term "Rock & Roll" is used to symbolize a spirit, an attitude, and a lifestyle. It's no longer a literal reference to a specific genre of music. They've made it perfectly clear that genres like pop, R&B and Hip Hop are a part of the musical landscape that they celebrate, so it should be no surprise that artists like Whitney and Biggie are in this induction class.
That said, it's disappointing that the voting body is still completely out of touch with heavier rock. You can't tell the story of "popular music" without including Hard Rock & Heavy Metal. I was encouraged this year by what I felt was the best nominating class to come along in a long time - a class that included Judas Priest, Motorhead, Thin Lizzy, Soundgarden and T Rex.
The reality is that the nominating committee has evolved and realizes these artists all deserve to be in. We've seen a lot of wrongs righted in the past several years with artists like Alice Cooper, Rush, KISS, Cheap Trick, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, etc. They can't fix it all at once.
I can assure you that there are folks deeply entrenched on the inside that get it, and are passionately advocating for the inclusion of real rock bands. They realize that something is fundamentally wrong with the voting process and are working towards improving it. It's a long-game here, but we're playing. My hope is that rather than just arguing about it, we can change the narrative and hopefully affect real change in the process...from the inside!
In the interest of full disclosure, I was asked to become a voter a few years ago. My ballot this year included Judas Priest, Pat Benatar, Thin Lizzy, Soundgarden, and T Rex.
For the record, I love Motorhead and couldn't agree with you more about Lemmy! Deciding between Motorhead and T Rex for my final vote was painful, but I have been saying for years that I thought T Rex was a huge exclusion. They were hugely influential and helped create the entire "glam rock" genre. When Bowie and The Who both shout you out in their lyrics - you're influential!
Given what we know about the voting body, I didn't have confidence Motorhead would get in on the first attempt, and certainly not in a year where metal votes were being split between them and Priest, but I had a feeling T Rex might be one of those bands on the bubble that actually had a chance, so I decided to cast my vote that way and hope to fight for Motorhead again in the coming years.
Congrats to all of this years class. Lets hope we can get the others back on the ballot next year.
Erik Luftglass
Kevin Lamb
Whitney= AMAZING
Whitney in the RnR HOF = LAME
I'm also still pissed they screwed Dave Abbruzzese!
Stevie Salas
A fucking men! That's why our industry no longer has credibility. Thank you Bob.
Larry Stessel
AMEN!
what a bunch of idiots...
Tom "Smitty" Smith
Cox Media Group/S.P. Unlimited
Uh oh, here come the 'woke' crowd to play the 'You're a Nazi racist' card.
But yeah...great POP pipes and that's about where her talent ends.
You are so right - the R&RHoF is just a bunch of bullshit. Always was, always will be.
Bob Davis
We will all understand when Clive does the induction.
Steve Tipp
I agree with everything you said except if Todd Rundgren was a genius it was for "A Wizard, A True Star" and Something Anything. His production credits for others were good but his first 4 or 5 albums were truly great . I had the good fortune of seeing his band Utopia live in 1973 and the musicianship was as good as you get.
Irving Berner
And WARREN ZEVON! His absence alone exposes the R&RHOF as the ridiculous institution that it is.
Paul Slansky
This issue never seems to go away and Jan and the board just keep chuckling.
Years ago there was some poll from a local radio station and the top ten list as nominees included someone like The Cowsills or the Partridge Family or someone like that and I flipped. I sent a scathing email about Steve Miller not being on that list and then got into it with the DJ who posted it. When he found out I was a veteran band member he brought me in for an on air interview and so began my quest to get my boss inducted.
I actually became friends with the DJ who's real name was "Dusty Rhodes" ( I know can you believe it?!??) and I eventually met the program director Pepper Daniels who plays my new products from time to time that I write or produce.
But the Rock Hall is a joke as Miller went postal on in 2016 and I guess they are trying to induct more women now which was something our Joker cited.
But yeah, Whitney's "I Wanna Dance with Somebody" isn't exactly " Breakin the Law" that's for sure!
Kenny Lee Lewis
I agree with everything you said.
But she did sing the best Super Bowl National Anthem ever!
Kevin Drexler
This letter gave me pause. I adored Whitney. Just a marvelous voice and talent, but she was manufactured/creatively and personally flawed and had nothing to do with the R&R HOF. Good letter. jimmy risk
In my opinion, the list of inductees for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has been terrible from the very start. First off, why are we inducting acts that preceded and influenced rock into the hall of fame? If I go to the Baseball Hall of Fame, do I want to see a wall of cricket players? If I go to the Football Hall of Fame, do I expect half of the inductees to be Rugby or Soccer players? No! It's a bunch of snobs who think rock lacks legitimacy or have an inferiority complex deciding who gets the accolades. Are even a third of these inductees rock artists? https://www.rockhall.com/inductees/a-z
Travis Hanna
I call it the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Shame, as I'm sure many other people do as well. How in the fuck can Todd Rundgren be overlooked for so many years? Not only as a musician but as a producer! Sheesh! If it weren't for Kraftwerk, there would be no Depeche Mode or Nine Inch Nails! Quick, how many NIN songs can you name? Me...none, although I saw the open for David Bowie once, I couldn't tell you the name of one song or album they put out. The Doobies belong in there. They rode the classic rock wave and are still played on the radio. They have longevity and my old buddy John Cowan of New Grass Revival fame is playing bass for them now, so I'm opinionated, but Whitney Fucking Houston? Did she ever write a single song? I don't think so and I'm not going to go look. I'm over it!
Rodney Rowland
Bob. Isn't it obvious? Clive Davis. Tom Murphy
Yup. Whitney? Nah. Sad days.
dw davis
Right on Bob. I'm neither a critic, a musician, nor an industry player; just an long time fan. You said it all and then some. No Jethro or Pat or Todd? Absurd and disappointing!
Barry Wolfish
Bravo Bob ...certain that this is not what Ahmet had in mind.
Joseph Carvello
There should be a pop hall of fame. She'd be a good fit there.
No denying that she had the pipes - but so do the Three Tenors, and John McLauglin had the chops, and Bela Fleck can do inhuman things with the banjo in 13/4 time. None of that is rock & roll.
I must say, though, that Whitney is doing much better now, she hasn't done any drugs in almost a decade...
Best,
Darryl Mattison
Houston, we have a problem...
Ed Fleck
I told you this, once or twice. Said the same thing you did in the blog about Houston. But maybe you don't remember that and who cares? The voting doesn't mean shit. The place is a joke. Janet Jackson got in last year and was nowhere near the top 5. Fuck it. Fuck them. I'm gonna start a movement to vote the motherfucker out of existence. Useless shit heap. Shovel it into the fucking lake and let it bleed!
William Nelson
Beautiful voice. Beautiful person. Massive hits. Tragic end. This is hardly the description of what rock fans "hate." That said, Whitney would probably agree with you, if she hadn't "O.D.'d" as you so crassly recalled. Maybe she doesn't belong in the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame." But the "Pop Music Hall of Fame," if there was one? Abso-fucking-lutely. Maybe there should be, so rock purists like you don't have to trash the spirit of a tragic, but supremely talented, human being.
Cheers,
Morty Shallman
Once again, you hit a nerve!
Thank you for having the balls to go on the record!!!
- bob cozzi
Bob, I love you and agree with so much of what you say. But I think you're missing the point by pitting Whitney vs Pat - it implies there is only one spot for women. Which, sadly, looks true this year (again). I am Pat's biggest fan - but the reason she was snubbed was not because of Whitney's inclusion. It was because of the general exclusion of women. Remember Janet's call to arms last year?
All the best, Jay W
Yes. Yes. YES!!!
Lorin Finkelstein
Precisely!
Gary Poole
Thanks so much, for putting this out there. I can tell you are just as angry as I am.
Why does this keep happening? It's the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, not a popularity hall of fame!
Thin Lizzy, Priest, and Benatar (from this years ballot), should take the place of BIG and Whitney Houston. They are not rock. Nothing against them, but they don't belong. Letting Whitney Houston in, even considering her, weakens the status of every other act in there. Shame on them.
My boy Phil is shakin' his head somewhere in Ireland...
G
Bob: As usual, you nailed it. I would have bet that Judas Priest and Pat Benatar were inducted years ago. Thank you for blaming the dumb Grammy voters for Tull's win over Metallica. I was at the meeting where the committee allowed Tull to be entered in that category and the sentiment of the room, myself included, was that it would not be an issue since Tull wouldn't win. That was a fatal mistake.
Bob Paris
When Todd Rundgren was bumped last year by Janet Jackson I stopped voting.
Todd doesn't care.And now I don't care.
Clark Luster
Blah blah blah.
Really? Who fucking cares!
Be well,
Rich Zweiback
Well said!
Andy Martel
Right fuckin on as usual, Bob!!
Andrew M. Zacks
Out of touch rant. Why beat on Whitney over the real issue?
"Jan Werner" personal playground
is a fake institution ,did you forget
or are you on the team?
Best Regards
Toby Davis
WTF
You hit the nail on the head.
My question who owns her shit and hopes to make a buck?
TS
Ha. Here's how politics (ie bias,liberal,media-driven politics,imo!) infects modern dialogue writ large: I assumed you'd be on the side of Whitney Is Rock here, just because it was obviously common sense that the opposite is true (and the Right assumes the Left is foreign to common sense, oc)! Ha.
Speaking for all of your Right-leaning acolytes, well played, kind sir. Benatar's husband rocked and her drummer, quoting him now, had the best seat /view in R+R and was as under-rated as any rock drummer.
Love ya babe,
BK Mitchell
Kennett MO
(Sheryl's Sr Prom escort, I might add)
Sadly, your annual rant that I agree with 200%.
For me, Jethro Tull, but all the others you mentioned, and others that continue to be excluded.
I'll refrain from visiting the HoF until they get real.
Chris Wraight
Thin Lizzy! Hello?
Zakk Zedras
What a great critic! I happened to make a Spotify playlist with some excellent rock n' roll song references you wrote! Take a look!
Thanks a lot for it!
Priscila Catao
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0XKpUk98dPa9rgdzYSNWJA?si=hqKqhiLNRp2CO83CNOemFg
Dead on Bob..no pun intended…always glad when someone stands up for what's right and includes a dose of integrity. You delivered.
Let's hope the RRHF backs out of this one gracefully, if that's even possible.
Mikal Reid
I woke up this morning and read about Ms. Houston being inducted into the Hall of Fame. My reaction was WTF? Did she do some songs I don't know about? This lady was pretty; she was a Las Vegas type performer; BUT NOT A ROCKER.
It is scary to see this group of posers at Rock & Roll Hall of Fame who weren't even there when it was happening distort the history of Rock & Roll. I didn't know they had disqualified bands and singers like Jethro Tull, Kraftwerk, Pat Benatar, Soundgarden. Good Lord... what is this world turning into?
Those in generations to come who have any interest in Rock & Roll will need to remember, "Don't follow leaders, watch the parkin' meters..."
I live in Chicago and the city sold their parking meter operations to a venture capital group in order to raise short term cash to meet budget obligations. It saddens me to see government institutions sell public assets to private venture capitalists who then employ those assets "like a business" in order to squeeze more cash out of "we the people."
Rock spoke for the people. Rock will rise again some day.
Michael Hugos
Couldn't agree more!
Cam McIntosh
Here here, dude.
Vince Welsh
Long time reader, first time emailer. You nailed it… again. This is the final straw for me as a rock 'n roll fan. C'mon !
Straighten up and fly right RRHOF.
Is this what you all had in mind in 1986 ???
Gregg Quinn
Completely and totally unacceptable...
Just like the Oscar's, full of a bunch of pompous fools who are CLUELESS...
Mark
Never agreed with you more. What a crime!
Derek Hess
Devo, The Pixies, Sonic Youth etc....the list can go on.
Yes it's an honor, however, the show itself is a joke, with useless applauses and people thinking about the good old days when one song could convince someone to buy a whole album.
It's obvious the voters pick who they want. Kraftwerk, Motorhead, and Judas should have all gone in.
I agree Whitney was amazing, but she wasn't groundbreaking. Kraftwerk is 10x more influential.
And the Dave Matthews Band on the ballot? Great band, but I mean their contribution is getting fans to smoke weed and become trust fund hippies?
But ya know what, they'll have their party, Diddy will show up, and if you happen to be doing nothing on a slow summer night, maybe you'll watch it or maybe just binge watch Motorhead, Judas Priest, and Kraftwerk videos on YouTube.
-Dan Rosenberg in Bev Hills.
Thank you for your expressing what many of us felt today. And for pointing out just how great a band Jethro Tull was well before Aqualung!
Dick Wingate
Who the fuck thought putting Houston in was a thing???
The hall wasn't a great idea to begin with, but it now has zero cred.
Is there a way to uninvite Houston? Protest? Anyone?
So long RHOF, you're dead to me.
jojo max
How about Ted nugent ? Should he be in there ? Never mind politics.
ken deslippe
Whitney or Judas Priest...why complain now? This ship sailed long ago. With total respect to some of the greatest soul singers of all time: James Brown, Aretha, Ray (What'd I Say? well there's an arguable exception)...they're just not Rock and Roll. Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino: Legends! Marvin Gaye, Michael Jackson, even BB King...legends of something else altogether. It's kind of an insult to all of these monumental artists to deny them their true fans and place in the fabulous mosaic of music culture and history. Kind of like calling Kenny G (not Garrett) a jazz artist. Can't be in the same genre as Coltrane no matter how many bought the CD.
Richard Serotta
Yeah, I know what you mean Bob. It's strikes me as weird too. But even back in the 80's when the RNRHOF was started, they inducted Marvin Gaye one year, and then The Supremes another. "Rock 'n' Roll"??… definitely not in the way I think of the term lol. That would be like have an R'n'B/Soul HOF, and inducting The Foo Fighters, no??
So it seems that the meaning of the institution's title has always been a bit "off". They should just call it the Music Hall Of Fame, and leave it at that. I'm sure if most people were to go on Wiki and look at the list, they would be amazed at some of the artists that the HOF consider "Rock 'n' Roll".
I agree with you Bob, the term R'n'R implies edginess, rebellion, a rite of passage, a social commentary, people that have sweated and slummed it for their art, people that never gave up on swimming against the current. Half the artists that have been inducted have nothing in common with those traits at all, which surely lessens the accolade for those artists that actually do. Bizarre.
Simon Hosford
New name: The Hipster Hall Of Fame
Nothing to do with rock music for many years now.
Andrew McNeice
I went to the Hall for the first time a few years ago. There was a lot of dust on Biggy's suit and it made me sad. What was it doing near Billy Joel's gutted/abandoned old motorcycle? The rest of the exhibits looked similarly left-behind and lifeless. The plaque room or trophy room or whatever you want to call it is charmless. I was stunned that whomever's in charge allows the plaques to hang on a wall that meets at a long sharp angle in a corner, at which point the inductee honors actually touch each other. The place is Bush League and generally a bummer. Don't ask me about the gift shop prices!
Skip Roads
Boston, MA
Bob: I wish you had also mentioned WARREN ZEVON IS NOT IN THE RRHOF!!!!!
The eccentric and iconoclastic musician songwriter would appear to meet the requirements you lay out here on behalf of others!?
DOUG COLLETTE
Don't let your anger deter you from the fact that Whitney only broke the entire pop world. Ok, she's not rock, but The National Anthem alone should get her in. Hell, the players themselves don't even remember the game...just Whitney. An MJ level most will never achieve. Mariah was ridiculous (easily the best MTV Unplugged), but still nowhere near WH. Thought you had an ear, Bob.
jared
I 100% agree! I couldn't believe the list of those who got inducted, vs. the excellent, deserving MUST be a mistake list of those who didn't.
It's sad because I'm in the Rock business. It's been my passion and livelihood since 1987. We're slowly losing Rock history to the "faceless dudes" that are all over the industry who have too much power, and no real soul.
Thanks for sending your letter today. The industry needs to see it!
Trina Tombrink
When I got up this morning I was ready to send out congratulatory e mails to the guys in Soundgarden, Susan Silver and Vicky on what finally seemed like an overdue recognition of what they truly helped begin. I had always believed that the Rock Hall was supposed too represent ascending to the pinnacle of their craft but apparently I have been suffering under a terrible misunderstanding all these years.
So , I had my coffee put on the headphones and listened to Superunknown and for just a few minutes I remembered the feeling of working with a band that was at the very beginning of a change in direction of Rock and Roll. Then I took the headphones off and sent e mails to the guys , Susan Silver and Vicky telling them how sad I was that it didn't happen. I guess people that work with Todd, Little Feat and Jethro Tull have gotten used to sending those e mails..I have lost all faith in the ability of my peers to pay respect where respect is due..Sad...
Al Marks
Need I remind you that Bon Jovi is in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?
Larry Martin
Thank you. Blame Clive. Please say something about Joe Cocker...
Best
Jonathan Gross
Asinine! But go figure...look what happened to RollingStone with all the Puree'd Pap it covers now. They're both abominations. Is there a correlation? YUP! their directors have no fucking backbone. The Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame directors should all resign and/or have their lyin' asses fired.
Olie Kornelsen
THANK YOU, Bob. You've once again thoroughly and entertainingly articulated the instant feeling felt reading a news item like this one.
As the kids used to say during diss fights in Philly, 'Get 'EM!'
Rick Sorkin
Change the name from Rock and Roll to Pop Music Hall of Fame
Tim Barry
And The Meters.
PLUS, Leo Nocentelli is The Most Sampled Guitar Player in History. His licks appear in over 400 rap tunes. FOUR HUNDRED.
Not including the riffs Jimmy Page pulled from him.
The Meters aren't in the HOF? That makes no sense whatsoever.
No Meters, no rock n' roll. Period. Full stop.
Lee T. Guzofski
It hasn't been the "Rock & Roll" Hall of Fame for some time. It's the "Pop Music" Hall of Fame. You sell big and have a radio play track record, you're in.
Bob Kalill
agree 100%
Denise Mello
100% agree.
Paula Franceschi
Little Feat have never even been on the ballot, how is that possible?
Bob Waugh
Right on! Here's a thought: Can you imagine Jim Morrison, Iggy Pop, Lou Reed or even Mick Jagger (just to mention a few) auditioning for any of these dipsh*t reality TV contests? Uncle Lou knocking out Heroin - now that would be entertaining! Down to a person, they'd all be dismissed for their unsavory attitudes. Doesn't that say it all? Really?
Cheers,
James "Nox" Tuboid
Thanks for standing up for Tull. It still amazes me that a Rock act that could sell out 5 nights @ Madison Square Garden still has to wait
Yes Ian is my Friend But this is just plain ridiculous
Kevin Sutter
And that rapper dude too? This is the Rock and Roll hall of fame? Or is it just some sort of general-duty-all-purpose-music hall of fame? Obviously, the latter.
Byron Udell
Preach it Bob!!!!!
Hamr77
Excellent Bob...stay away from politics..MAGA
david goodrich
Fuckin A bubba!
Tom Crowley
I wish I could take credit for this line but all credit to stalwart musician/tour manager/author/sage/social commentator Danny Bland:
"Being upset about the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame nominees is like going to Chuck E Cheese and being outraged by the pizza."
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10221081905978448&set=a.1074771150654&type=3&theater
dave dederer
I don't understand how Depeche Mode can be in before Kraftwerk! One doesn't exist without the other.
Steve Hormell
Motorhead. Was, IS, and will always be the real shit.
Jimmy Pargas
If you think the rock hall is irrelevant now, wait until two years from now. Next year they'll kill off the last of the great white buffalo by inducting the Foo Fighters. And after that there's virtually no more first ballot hall of famers anywhere on the horizon.
Trashy Ashell
Well said Bob, you know your gonna get blow back on this one but that's why I read you, fuck'em!!
Doug Gillis
You're exactly right. That place is phenomenal to visit but the inclusions and exclusions boggle the mind. To borrow a phrase from Dandy Don Meredith, "Turn out the lights. The party's over." Are England Dan and John Ford Coley in their yet? Probably; for singing Todd's Love is the Answer.
I quit.
Respectfully submitted,
Harold Love
Amen, Bob!
Ciceroness
?Ok, a bit bias on my part , but, what about Rickie Lee Jones a real artist, before Whitney Huston. She may be a great singer , but just that, a singer. And certainly no relationship to rock and roll.
Ron Stone
Hear you BUT grateful that Nine Inch Nails are finally getting inducted!
This is just like when the Grammy's nominated Beyoncé for Best Rock Performance for " "Don't Hurt Yourself".
Long live rock n roll.
Rachel Hacken
Enough of the "R'n'R Hall of Fame": they have no creditability whatsoever, in their efforts to be inclusive, they've forgotten it's not 'the Music Hall of Fame'. Whitney? Notorious B.I.G.? Gimme a break.
You nailed the usual suspects who belong in the "...Hall..." but in the late 60's and into the 70s, you couldn't avoid Steppenwolf. They were inescapable on the radio, they were in film, they created anthems that still resonate. "Born To Be Wild"., "Magic Carpet Ride", "Rock Me", "Monster" and "Pusher". They epitomized rock in the day...and for me, they still do.
Arny Schorr
Could not agree more. Incredible pipes wasted on shitty pop music. This isn't rock n roll by any definition. It's corporate MTV era garbage, a footnote in music history. Again, talent does not = greatness.
Jamie Voss
Totally agree with all that you have said. I grew up in the MTV generation and pat benatar waa the queen.
Todd Appelbaum
Preach it Bob-
Thin Lizzy...gets nada. When the truest bad boy persona meets an Irish rocker poet....Phil Lynott who sang of bar brawls but left you with the poignancy of Yeats and James Joyce... and what we get instead is yet another inductee who sang on soundtracks for second rate movies. Dollars before sense, commerce before art.
And Todd, and Priest, and Soundgarden and......
The Hall of Fame is a joke...
Trent Keeling
Two Words: Clive Davis
Regards,
Robert Bradshaw
Thanks Bob,Whitney was one of Clive's girls.Will he get Alicia Keyes in next?Stay well Bob,have a great day,Ted Keane
Chake & Rufus -- who did break new ground as a funk bank fronted by a woman -- deserved to be in the Hall of Fame before Whitney, who while talented and popular, wasn't really a game changer.
Mike McCann
In response to your Whitney tirade... R&RHOF is for wankers and your spot on Bob... Whitney's there for one reason Clive Davis.... and for inclusion as a woman of color ... which is more important than substance ...
Silver Hammer
I couldn't agree with you more Bob. did you see the results of the fan votes? And how many people voted? Only one act, the Doobie Brothers, out of the top five fan votes got in. Pat & Neil were in second place in the fan voting Priest was at no.5! What the hell is that all about? they do fan voting for two months only to ignore the results… What's the point of this?? #RockHallofShame
J J W
I agree with every word you say. But I have one question for you: why do you care so much? Who gives a shit about the RRHF? From the day they announced that there would be a RRHF, I have ignored it. Invisible corporate tastemakers deciding for me who the best bands were? No thx, fuck off. It's only because you're so plugged in that you care so much. "Turn off your mind and do yourself a favor" - I forget which nonRRHF band sang that lyric in the 1990s. The song was "Like a Bird that You Can't See" (or something like that), and it's in my own R&R Song Hall of Fame.
Ira Fader
Bob - You're whining about Whitney? Miles Davis is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. His ghost pukes on that.
Joel Selvin
Thank you! My God I can't believe Houston AND a rapper. NO BENATAR??? AGAIN!??
I hope that place burns down.
Keith Michaels
Bob, you admittedly know a lot about rock music, no doubt, but you're out of your depth here commenting on Whitney Houston's contributions to music. I agree that putting Whitney in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is entirely nonsensical, but she was perhaps the greatest pure singer of her generation and an influence on many, many young R&B vocalists who came after her. I represent some of those singers, and I've heard them and others in the industry speak of her with reverence and awe. With all due respect, you're really not in a position to make an informed comparison of Whitney vs. Mariah's influence on R&B music, and the "bad girl" comment was really unnecessary and distasteful. Sorry, your columns are very enjoyable but sometimes you need to recognize when you've veered outside your expertise! You could have made the same point without dumping on a deceased artist who isn't here to defend herself.
Robb W. Patryk | Partner
Hughes Hubbard & Reed LLP
You're wrong about this, Bob.
She opened doors for so many women that followed. Her songs were staples for 25 years. She changed the way every R&B singer stylized their voice ever since. Judas Priest? Soundgarden? Legacy is important. Ask any singer. Cornell was amazing.
But put a hit list together and ask anyone.
Just sayin.
Dino Soldo
Truth
Eliza Neals
Only got so far with this , bob. You keep going to the fame puddle and expecting a different result. Just sing along with me in your best ian hunter voice " all, all the gay dudes ..."
Love the line about the OD.
Abrazo from highway 5
Andrew Loog Oldham
Freakin' AMEN to all of that. Jethro Tull's exclusion is the most criminal of all. But also agree about the impact and influence of Pat Benatar. Judas Priest yes. Rundgren yes.
Andy Kantor
Until The Replacements and/or Paul Westerberg get a nod I have zero interest in the Grammys. None. Whitney Houston had one of the most beautiful voices in all of pop music. But if that's Rock 'n Roll then Jimi Hendrix redefined Klezmer.
Gary Frahm
Spot on Bob!!
Kevin Williamson
Grand Funk Railroad will never be in the rock hall and all three can still play and you're right. I wanna dance with somebody? Best thing Whitney ever did was her Star Spangled Banner. Then she became a crackhead and lost her chops, comeback was not good despite Oprah interview making it out to be as if her voice still held up. Yes Mariah is more relevant,
Greg McLoughlin
Toots and the Maytals should be in the HOF
Chris Stein
All you can do with the Jann Wenner Hall of Memorabilia is ignore it. We all have our favorite omissions - mine are The Meters and Gang of Four - but harping on them will have no effect. This is a place that votes in Depeche Mode and not Kraftwerk. And always will.
David Frail
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a farce. It's a made up list by Rilling Stone magazine. It's capricious. It's meaningless. Who cares what Jann Wenner wants?
Jim Holm
Well done, well done
Wallace Sanders
All true, but no surprise. The rock 'n' roll Hall of Fame has been a joke for years.
- Bruce Gow
While I didn't hate Whitney Houston by a long shot, she was no rock and roller. Not one single song. It is off they're inducting her. There are so many artists I can think of as being more worthy.
Best,
Mark Friese
Bob, Have to agree with you. Just worried your liberal friends will criticize you for being anti-diversity!!
Richard Rosenberg
Right on with your Hall of Fame comments, Bob
All I would add is "where's Little Feat?". I'm done caring about the place…But your Jethro Tull comments are spot on. Keep up the good work.
Stephen Rickles
Thanks for giving Pat Benatar the credit she deserves - I couldn't agree more. Listening to her records in high school settled any debate about rock being a boys club. Along with the Wilson sisters, she blazed the trail for the next generations of legit female rockers like Lzzy Hale, Lacey Sturm, Amy Lee, Korey Cooper & Jen Ledger - all continuing to keep rock very much alive! Fire & Ice and Hell Is For Children rock as hard as anything before or since!!
dubbs
JW CLARKE | BIRDHOUSE GROUP
ha! very funny indeed. like inducting a disco artist.
does anyone really pay attention to RRHF anymore?
now i can dig me some whitney, she was great for what she was, insane singer, top shelf pedigree, super catchy songs and some of the DOPEST production, engineering and arrangements but it is kinda the opposite of rock. sound and ethos.
she's pop thru and thru. should be inducted into pop hall of fame next to Streisand and Cher
her mom may have had more of an influence on the sound of rock then she did.
oh well god rest her soul, poor gal lost a battle
Jeremy Backofen
Hey Bob-
Re: Whitney Houston in the Rock & Roll "Hall Of Fame"
Two words: JOE FUCKING COCKER
What complete bullshit.
CJ Vanston
Whitney Houston in the HoF is all about the narcissist in chief of the music business, Clive f'ing Davis. Loves himself as much as Trump.
Chris Connaker
Pat Benatar's "Promises In The Dark" was one of the best songs of the 80's - including fantastic guitar work by Neil Giraldo!
At least the Doobie Brothers finally made it in. A well-deserved honor for a great band!
Patrick Whitaker
I don't usually get drawn into these arguments every year, but - two words: Thin Lizzy.
(Plus Cissy was cooler, anyway)
HugoBurnham
I don't always agree with you, but you'll get no argument on this one. So many acts belong in the Hall of Fame, but not Whitney.
Tim Drake
I LOVED this screed. The RRHOF is a truly worthless institution but more than any act whom you mentioned, the omission of The Smiths proves that.
Beware of darkness,
Nigel Russell
Not keen on your politics but you are spot on! Everyone should Inundate the RNRHOF Instagram page with the middle finger icon! That is what Rock is. Saying Fuck You to the man! This is utter bullshit!
John McGraw
Whitney - great voice, but I'm with you. My mouth fell open when I saw that! And I'd been listening to Sirius classic rock stations with the "fan vote" count for weeks. No mention of Whitney. Whitney????
Did Clive Davis rig this?
J. Coulter
Hmmm, interesting rant!
Where did Rock & Roll come from? I'll answer; Well there 'Rumble' and Link Wray, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Little Richard, Chuck Berry i.e. the Blues & Gospel, before Elvis, Bill Haley and The Beatles or The Stones or any of those who came after who began to call it 'Rock' as to lose the 'Roll'! Shall we quibble over semantics or who owns what or who gets the right to call what, what?
Just sayin' & keepin history honest!
Nona Hendryx
Her Mom was a good singer.
Barry Lyons
I lost all respect for the RRHOF when they started inducting Rappers and Hip Hop. Granted it is a form of music (well in some peoples opinion). But they should have their own institution honoring artists. There are tons of bands out there that deserve induction. Little Feat comes to mind because of their influence on Rock music and on aspiring artists. Plenty more. T-Rex? Really?
Chris Lagemann
This seals it, there is absolutely no meaning to this institution or awards. Just another money grab and I'm no longer sure for who.
Robert Heiblim
a gigantic AMEN! to all of that!! Whitney and not Pat Benatar is reason enough to riot!
The RRHOF is a fucking joke. Thry just need to close the doors, or start inducting clowns into the hall too. Oh wait, they already have.
Paul Bordenkircher
Hi Bob,
It started with Madonna.
David Cameron
Even worse for me is overlooking Little Feat.
Mike Donahue
Couldn't believe it either. SPOT ON again Bob.
Don't mean to be a hater but can't wait to see comments, blowback for those in support of her inclusion.
Steve Anderko
Are you angry Bob?
I feel like your angry.
I is just the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. What could be more meaningless?
Michael A. Becker
Rufus & Chaka Khan should have made it in. You failed to mention them. This is the 3rd year they've been robbed.
Chaka before Whitney anytime!
Frank Sheffield
True that Bob.
Rich Harris
Preach!!
Joshua Resnick
I agree...Kraftwerk, Todd, Soundgarden certainly should be in but I have to say that I'm very happy to see T-Rex recognized...
Michael Rosenblatt
i think rock doesn't mean what you think it means anymore.
*ducks*
Amanda Palmer
I'm afraid they don't know what rock-n-roll means, Bob. It's certain they don't know what it means to us!
Anthony Iannarino
Totally agree!! Whitney Houston had talent, but it's not rock and roll. (Personally I can't stand that acrobatic vocal style, but others obviously love it.) May as well induct John Williams. He is one of the greatest and most influential composers of the last 50 years. But it's not rock - so he doesn't get in.
Todd Rundgren is a wizard, a true star who could (and still can) do it all. And no Jethro Tull?? What the hell??? Oh well, at least we got The Doobies. It's just a shame (and a scam) it took Irving Azoff to get them there...
Rich Madow
I know you did this to get a rise out of folks, but anyway, relax. There are absolute pieces of trash in the Hall of Fame that couldn't tie Whitney's shoelaces.
Sum
Spot on. Todd was screwed for being more creative than popular.
Makes a Cleveland boy sad even though we know it's a NYC kind of thing.
Bob Cayne
That is some serious bullshit.
Pete Ballou
The same world that voted Jethro Tull's Crest of a Knave the best Hard Rock/Metal Performance over Metallica and AC/DC.
Not that we don't all love Tull! But it shows how little the people in charge of these things (award shows, halls of fame, whatever) often know about the topic they're curating.
Chris Beytes
Amen and Awomen.
Jill Douglas
Thanks for mentioning Kraftwerk!
rsands9
Amen.
Chuck Mitchell
PREACH Bob Lefsetz!!
Robb Flynn
You are right in your assessment of some deserve to be in the R&R HOF - as a hometown guy who was at this show and countless others, I thought I'd send you what passed for the essence of Rock & Roll here in Detroit in the late 60's - this was a free concert at Wayne State University's football field - this is the definition and embodiment of what we called Rock&Roll in Detroit, but the MC5 still are not in the "real" RR HOF, but Whitney Houston and Biggie are - WTF - the RR HOF is kinda like the Grammys - irrelevant and something for newspaper music critics and TV Magazine shows to go on and on about - this is the real deal, this is what headline bands hated to follow at the Grande Ballroom. enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74jS3dW0DtE
Love your blog.
Jim Gilmore
Detroit.
Wait, hang on, I visited the rock hall back in 2011 and I could have sworn there was a Todd Rundgren display. Is it possible to have a display but not yet be inducted?
Nick Benko in Windsor (Canada's motor city)
Agree with every word you wrote. Whitney Houston gets into the Rock and Hall of Fame while Todd Rundgren, MC5, Warren Zevon, Pat Benetar and Jethro Tull are all once again left out? No legitimacy left for the R&RHoF . . . what little was left. This organization no longer has any connection to the Rock & Roll we grew up with. Whitney Houston is the antithesis of Rock & Roll. If her "credentials" put her in, then Barbra Streisand should be in because she did everything Houston did only FAR, FAR better in every way. But of course, nobody would think of putting her in, because she's not a rocker. Well, neither was Whitney Houston. Rock & Roll blasphemy is what this is.
Oh yes, we're going to go to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame to see exhibits about Elvis Presley, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen, Led Zeppelin… and Whitney Houston? I don't think so.
Russ Paris
I'm melisma-ed out. Some of the singers sound like the emotion is going to burst unless they birth it out the appropriate orifice.
I suspect Clive Davis ran Whitney and possibly her mother did too.
I just read that Robin Crawford book. Not sure, as usual, what to believe in a celeb book. Crawford said Davis made her wear extensions so she'd look more European than black and would appeal to a broader audience.
I thought Whitney had a haunting quality at times to her voice. She was less over-the-top than Mariah who always jammed in those whistle register notes. We knew with an opera singer mother, M had the chops, but she never let us forget it. I wonder if she can sing actual ariahs with the Met divas or is content to hit a whistle note here and again. She did change once she got away from Tommy Matolla and explored rap. I still can't understand why M had 50 bridesmaids at her wedding. Even for show biz that's much. Mariah did do some very nice stuff in the 1990s, Fantasy sampling Genius of Love by the Tom Tom Club, Butterfly, Dream Lover. She obviously never succumbed to the temptations of drugs as Whitney did even before Mr. Brown entered the picture. Whitney is supposed to have Said "Cocaine can't go where we're going." But alas it sure did! Her daughter and daughter's boyfriend are both gone not even a decade later.
David
I'm sure You already know all this. Here's what I told my friend earlier:
It's not about if the artists or band plays Rock or Rock n Roll. It's been this way for too long and they prob should have just Renamed it, "The MUSIC Hall of Fame." — Listening to SiriusXM this morning who were LIVE from the Hall, they were saying that it's not Just rock or rock n roll music. It's the Spirit of rock n roll, if the person/band was Innovative or Influential. It's also not about record sales or how many hits you had in the Top ____. — Just look at T-Rex who had a minor hit here with "Bang A Gong", but (& like many others) they were MASSIVE in the UK in the early-mid 70's. HUGE!! So of course they were influential to many bands who came after. SWEET is another band who some might say are deserving, & they had even more hits Here in the 70's.
Lastly, & I've said this many times, the "Fan Vote" only counts a SINGLE SOLITARY Vote. One Vote. So if Band A gets 3.6M votes to win, it means nothing. It's just something the hall does to help drum up publicity.
There's between 900-1000 Voters. They vote & that's it. Once an artist or band gets in, then they are eligible to vote also.
Lastly, among many others, Missing from the Rock 'N Roll Hall Of Fame:
1. Foreigner
2. Iron Maiden
3. Judas Priest
4. Duran Duran
5. Motörhead
6. Mötley Crüe
7. Scorpions
8. Ozzy Osbourne (solo)
9. Megadeth
10. Huey Lewis & The News
11. REO Speedwagon
12. Kansas
13. Boston
14. Foghat
15. Little Feat
etc., etc. lol
Steve Sequeira
Big questions like "what is rock and roll?" were a lot easier when the
possible answers included Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis,
etc.
That was in the beginning.
For me, the R&RHOF+M jumped the shark when it threw chronological order
out the window.
When the influencees got in before the influencers.
One of the very few things baseball has right is that time and place in
history matters.
I know this is a sensitive time to say this but Rush should never have
gotten in before Jethro Tull and Procol Harum.
Dave Matthews was in consideration this year while Little Feat and Los
Lobos are on the outside looking in.
Neither of these bands are my particular brand of vodka but The Sex
Pistols before the MC5?
I?m a Rundgren guy and I feel pretty much the same way he does about
induction- who cares?
The body of work is the validation.
The voting is like the (fill in the blank) Grammys, Oscars, Emmys, etc.
Fun to bitch about every year but consistently meaningless.
On the flip side, I have been to the R&RHOF+M several times and the
artifacts are pretty great.
Some give me goosebumps.
Ho Hum. So Whitney got inducted and Judas Priest, Soundgarden and Todd Rundgren didn't... Why would these bands who have legions of fans and who have had and continue to have great careers in music care? Rock music has always been anti-establishment so I fail to see why any of these acts give a toss about the pro establishment RARHOF. Personally I'd like to see each and everyone of them tell the rock hall to go get... just like the Sex Pistols did. If every one of these acts just ignored the rock hall there wouldn't be one and they therefore wouldn't have to worry about getting inducted/nominated and could just continue to make music which at the end of the day is what it's all about.
Chris Xynos
Here's an anecdotal "Tull Tale" for you.
As you know, back in the early 70s when I was running Michigan State University's concert program, we produced an incredibly wide variety of shows of all shapes and sizes. One day in 1973, I got a call from someone at Premier Talent Agency—seem to recall it was Frank Barsalona. Turned out another college's date for one of his acts had fallen through (Ohio State) and he was wondering if I could pick it up. The date was exactly one week away and the band was Jethro Tull. It seemed like an impossible task—organizing everything that goes into packaging such a major production in just seven days. I mean, could I even get tickets printed??? But the deal he was offering seemed pretty bulletproof: A 90/10 split after expenses; tickets at $4.00; general admission. Now at the time, Jethro Tull was red hot—especially in Michigan where the band had built a huge following through many, many shows in Detroit, starting with the Grande Ballroom. At the time, their newest studio album, A Passion Play, had just come out and had debuted at #1. So, what the fuck, I told him to stand by and called our MSU's Athletic Department to check on the availability of the basketball facility, Jenison Fieldhouse. 9000 seats. The date was open. So with much trepidation, but embodying the craziness of that era, I booked Jethro Tull. Needless to say, our student organization went into overdrive—the staging specs were incredibly complex (we had to build it from scratch), pulling together the advertising to get the word out, hiring all of the university personnel (like state cops for security), even getting the contracts signed, and yes, getting the tickets printed, etc, etc. As the timing worked out, the only way we could pull it off was to put the 9000 tickets on sale the day BEFORE the show! No advance sales. Gulp! And so we did. The lines at our 3 or 4 ticket outlets were insane that day, but by golly, the damn thing went clean. Next night, Jethro Tull hit the stage in front of 9000 crazed fans and completely blew them away. It was an EVENT—and as about as spontaneous as it could be. Now, I'm not a big fan of Tull, but I can tell you that what went on that night at MSU was a bona fide rock n roll experience, deserving of a place in the RnR HOF.
And oh yeah, Ian Anderson was most definitely not a warm and fuzzy guy that night.
Hugh Surratt
I've felt that the Hall has been bullshit for a long while, but I still loved seeing some of my heroes jam together one more time. But, I had no idea how low they'd sink. I mean, isn't there goat to get ratings from the artists performing on the damn TV show?…so why pick deceased Whitney?! As Hüsker Dü sang, it makes no sense at all! (I needed to throw in a snooty, indie/college rock reference as a musical sorbet to clean the Whitney out of my mouth) Jethro Tull was my first favorite group in the 70s when I was a teenager, and we fans embraced the fact that non-fans weren't passive, they HATED the band…we expected the critics to hate them…so we're good with the critics still deriding ol Ian! (although it warms my heart to have you, Bob, write about them so intelligently and supportively) Fans and non-fans would agree that we don't want Tull inducted ever! Equally stupid is omitting maybe the single most prolific, and ridiculously talented and ground breaking artist/musician/producer/composer of the entire rock era, Todd Rundgren. It's a joke he hasn't been inducted. He's not just an avant garde and critic darling, he had HITS! TONS! Especially if you include his productions. And Pat Benetar burst open the door that Janis, Grace, Joni, and Stevie built! It was the second video ever on MTV after the Buggles! I could (almost) handle these gross omissions if they weren't inducting Whitney. LAME.
Gary Helsinger
It's called "intersectionality" by the far left PC youngsters..The more points one has, according to how far they veer from the white hetero male paradigm, the higher up the societal ladder they will be, once the New World Order is established..THAT'S where we are right now..Trump is the opposite and equal reaction..Whitney has enough points to appease those keeping score..
"Western Stars" was overlooked by the Grammies..Bruce has less than zero intersectionality points..Genius Asians get rejected from Harvard, to make room for a more diverse roster..
THAT'S the kind of CFUWorld we live in..
James Spencer
Greetings from Denver. Long time reader/listener here. There's been many times when I've wanted to write or call into to complain or agree with you but never did...until now. My bday is coming up and on a whim I decided that I wanted to visit the RnR HOF as a gift to myself. I've always wanted to go for only one reason: check out the exhibits for the rockers in the Pantheon: Berry, Holly, Elvis, Beatles, Stones and all their peers. I also want to see the stuff that they have from true originals like Prince and Dylan. Hell, I'd probably even stop and read the exhibit for Patti Smith because of all the reasons you listed, even though I'm not a fan.
I think the HoF lost me when it inducted Afrika Bambaataa several years back. I give him credit for inspiring the first generation of rappers. But is that rock and roll? I know you've already covered this topic before. Anyway, my point is that I've been preparing myself for how I would conspicuously avoid all the stuff in the HOF that's related to those who really don't deserve to be there (list of names is long). I'm assuming that I'll spend enough time studying the guitars and stage props from the Stones that I won't have time to waste on exhibits that have no place there.
And now, with this announcement that Whitney Houston will be inducted and Todd Rundgren won't? WTF? I'm not even a fan of his either but I know enough to realize that he's done more for rock and roll over the years than many other inductees combined!
So, do I just cancel the whole f-ing trip in protest or do I go and just brace myself to be pissed off? Nah, I'll go. It's like watching Fox News. Know thine enemy, as the saying goes.
Rant on, Bob.
Michael from Denver
P.S. I listen to my music through a couple of Marantz receivers that I've had to refurbish a couple of times and a pair of those vintage JBLs like you have.
Great piece of the RRHoF selections
I concur on Whitney.
A shanda that Pat Benatar is out and Whitney in.
I wonder if she fronted a band formally with hubby Neil if that "wrapping" would have garnered her further consideration.
Further Whitney getting in means all the bubblegum and related acts of the 60/70s ought to be in. Certainly more deserving (I am not advocating it though, just emphasizing the hypocrisy.
Very happy on The Doobies.
They are still great live.
You are so right on Ian Anderson and Tull.
I enjoy and fondly recall T Rex and "own" much of their music: Jeepster and Bang A Gong so standout against their other songs so I am not sure I'd consider him for the hall; albeit others in the hall merit it less than Marc Bolan.
And of course the absence of Poco continues to bother this correspondent.
Thank you for this opportunity to vent.
Corey Bearak
But isn't the very nature of Rock and Roll the idea of something existing and thriving where it shouldn't? The rebel, the outcast, those who go against the grain? I think you're confusing what became the music genre of Rock and Roll with the Culture of Rock and Roll. While Whitney's music may not fit within the confines of the genre, same as any Rapper who's been inducted into the Hall of Fame, but her whole career and life story is the very definition of Rock and Roll.
Her induction is not to state that Soundgarden and Judas Priest aren't Rock and Roll just like Black Lives Matter doesn't state that ONLY Black Lives Matter. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Everyone is entitled to their own, educated, opinion. Why not celebrate the evolution of what it means to be a Rock Star? Why disrespect the legacy of a musician who cannot defend themselves as if it were their fault that their peers felt it was right to induct their legacy?
Whitney Houston dominated the charts, pop charts, but last I checked pop generates more money than the genre of Rock in any year. Not to mention as a Black woman. You mentioned Mariah Carey has more of an influence than Whitney Houston, but you forget that Mariah had once stated how Whitney Houston was a big influence for her. Also to note, Whitney had an acting career which began with a Box Office hit with the Body Guard. I don't need to list her accolades because her induction speaks for itself.
There's no need to bash someone's career in order to show appreciation for another's. Multiple truths can exist at once and occupy the same space. Especially if it's clear that you could never replicate or do better than what that person has done. At that point you're just another talking head. And we know how much you love those.
Do better,
Sincerely,
Bob J. McNeil
A Black Millennial
This is spot on! Whitney Houston, despite her success, is a product of the pop machine... where the artist is made from millions of dollars in marketing, promotion, and production. Sure, she had a phenomenal voice, but her talent was only a piece of a much larger puzzle. I'm sorry, but WH was not an "artist". She was manufactured, like so many other pop stars. No doubt, she made a lot of people a lot of money, so you can certainly recognize her success. But Rock N Roll Hall of Fame? No fucking way. That should be reserved for game changers, artistic masterminds (love the Kraftwerk example) and gifted artists that blazed new trails and the record labels were LUCKY to have them. It's as if they're trying to fit Whitney into the hall of fame because she rebelled against the productization of her image and said fuck you to her makers by flaming out with drugs and alcohol. But at the end of the day, she changed nothing in music and only fed the egos of her puppet masters! But I'm sure those people see it differently.
Eric Murphy
Meanwhile, we've been trying to get Bill Aucoin, the original manager of KISS, Piper, Starz, Toby Beau, New England and Billy Idol (and let's face it, 5th KISS member) inducted. Years long campaign and a gazillion signatures and photo ops and...nada.
One of my pet peeves, (with awards and inductions) is how some artists can crossover AND also be eligible for those crossover awards. By the same token, other artists cannot. That's not fair.
Example: As a CMA and NARAS member, one year I received the preliminary voting ballots...Brooks and Dunn were up for - Best Duo and Best Group. WTF? Are they a group or are they a duo?
But yeah...you're right...she was an amazing talent, but she was NOT rock and roll!
Sher Bach
Axl Rose had the right idea. He asked the questions about qualifications and declined the induction.
"I still don't exactly know or understand what the Hall is or how or why it makes money, where the money goes, who chooses the voters and why anyone or this board decides who, out of all the artists in the world that have contributed to this genre, officially "rock" enough to be in the Hall?"
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/axl-rose-apologizes-to-cleveland-for-hall-of-fame-snub-186973/
Dave Conklin
Your first sentence explains it. Crazy f'd up world for sure and it continues to be a shame that the HOF does this most years and will continue. Have no idea why they still call it Rock & Roll when it should change to Music Hall by now. I have been involved in music for 39 years on the business and creative side and the artists you mention ie Tull, Todd, Soundgarden, Benatar, Priest and others are Rock & Roll. No saving it unfortunately unless Jann or whoever is in charge now overhauls it and they won't and I am sure they love hearing us old farts complain about it. I was there at the shows in the 70's and beyond as well as sold the 8 tracks, cassettes, albums, cds, dats, etc. I try to explain to people that ask me each year about how these choices are made but know the powers that be do not care. Rock n roll started in the 50's and music was changed forever and to not acknowledge or remember how huge the above artists you mention are or others like stadium filling artists (yes stadiums) Grand Funk Railroad, Johnny Winter, Iron Maiden, Robin Trower, plus Joe Cocker, Zevon, Steppenwolf, Tina Turner, Carole King, Thin Lizzy, and many others i could think of is wrong for them and fans. Why it took so long for Rush, KISS, Yes, Steve Miller, Journey, Doobies, Heart and others in recent years is still just strange to people who know and love Rock & Roll like you and me.
Peace,
Van Fletcher
...and what about the innovative groundbreaking music of blending country with rock by Richie Furay. Hey, what's that sound he started in Buffalo Springfield with "A Child's Claim To Fame" and "Kind Woman"? It's today's Americana music. Richie then continued his Inventive creativity to the his next group Poco with their first and critically acclaimed album and title track "Pickin' Up The Pieces". Have you listened to "A Good Feelin' To Know" recently. Its timeless! It sounds as fresh today as it did in 1972.
Before the Eagles, Glenn Frey sat on Richie's Laurel Canyon living room floor watching Poco rehearse before they debuted their live act at the Troubadour. And future members of the Eagles were there at those first shows.
Prior to Glenn's death, at an Eagles show in Denver, he pointed Richie out to the audience and said, "If not you you, we wouldn't be here". High praise indeed! Richie & Poco set the original template that others would follow to far greater success and subsequent RRHOF induction. Yet, they were the first definitive country-rock band.
Not even a Rock Hall nomination for Richie and Poco. Something's happening here, what it is IS exactly clear...
David Stone
Manager for Richie Furay
I'm reading your post as I'm on a flight leaving Cleveland where we made the official Rock & Roll Hall of Fame 2020 induction class announcement on Volume this morning.
Part of me agrees with almost every single word you wrote. I've been pounding the table about the lack of "rock" in the hall for years.
The other part of me approaches it from a realistic view. I think at this point, people have to stop getting hung up on the name. It's clearly a popular music Hall of Fame now. The term "Rock & Roll" is used to symbolize a spirit, an attitude, and a lifestyle. It's no longer a literal reference to a specific genre of music. They've made it perfectly clear that genres like pop, R&B and Hip Hop are a part of the musical landscape that they celebrate, so it should be no surprise that artists like Whitney and Biggie are in this induction class.
That said, it's disappointing that the voting body is still completely out of touch with heavier rock. You can't tell the story of "popular music" without including Hard Rock & Heavy Metal. I was encouraged this year by what I felt was the best nominating class to come along in a long time - a class that included Judas Priest, Motorhead, Thin Lizzy, Soundgarden and T Rex.
The reality is that the nominating committee has evolved and realizes these artists all deserve to be in. We've seen a lot of wrongs righted in the past several years with artists like Alice Cooper, Rush, KISS, Cheap Trick, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, etc. They can't fix it all at once.
I can assure you that there are folks deeply entrenched on the inside that get it, and are passionately advocating for the inclusion of real rock bands. They realize that something is fundamentally wrong with the voting process and are working towards improving it. It's a long-game here, but we're playing. My hope is that rather than just arguing about it, we can change the narrative and hopefully affect real change in the process...from the inside!
In the interest of full disclosure, I was asked to become a voter a few years ago. My ballot this year included Judas Priest, Pat Benatar, Thin Lizzy, Soundgarden, and T Rex.
For the record, I love Motorhead and couldn't agree with you more about Lemmy! Deciding between Motorhead and T Rex for my final vote was painful, but I have been saying for years that I thought T Rex was a huge exclusion. They were hugely influential and helped create the entire "glam rock" genre. When Bowie and The Who both shout you out in their lyrics - you're influential!
Given what we know about the voting body, I didn't have confidence Motorhead would get in on the first attempt, and certainly not in a year where metal votes were being split between them and Priest, but I had a feeling T Rex might be one of those bands on the bubble that actually had a chance, so I decided to cast my vote that way and hope to fight for Motorhead again in the coming years.
Congrats to all of this years class. Lets hope we can get the others back on the ballot next year.
Erik Luftglass
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Whitney Houston In The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame
What kind of crazy, fucked-up world do we live in where Whitney Houston gets inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Judas Priest, Soundgarden and Todd Rundgren are not?
One in which the voters have lost all credibility, putting money over art, debasing the rock ethos and history to the point of irrelevance.
Come on, the only thing Whitney Houston has in common with rock is she O.D'ed!
Then they constantly wank about influences, yup, Patti Smith is gotta be in because she broke ground and influenced those at home. What new ground did Whitney Houston break? Another pop singer, so what? As for legacy...what did we get, "American Idol"? And to tell you the truth, Mariah Carey is more of an influence than Whitney, yup, melisma reigns on TV competition shows.
Or is it because she married Bobby Brown and became a bad girl?
This is execrable, this is sacrilegious, I feel like the Nazi during "Springtime For Hitler"...I knew rock and roll, I was there, these people have NO CLUE!
Come on!
The biggest breakthrough in rock and roll, what built classic rock, was FM radio.
Yup, the Beatles opened the door and then underground FM radio blew the doors off. FM stations played music AM wouldn't dream of, or if AM played it it was eons late (kind of like terrestrial radio today if you think about it, stuff breaks on streaming services).
As a result of FM we got extended songs. We got side-long opuses. We got album-length extravaganzas. Yup, there's more rock and roll in "Thick As A Brick" than in any song by Whitney Houston EVER!
But Jethro Tull can't be in the Rock Hall because Ian Anderson is not warm and fuzzy and the band stole that Grammy from Metallica, even though that was the mistake of the ignorant Grammy voters, not the band.
Have you listened to "This Was"? A blues-rock masterpiece. I mean if you're lauding Peter Green... And "Stand Up" is enough to induct any band. As for "Aqualung"... And if Kiss can get in based on popularity...were you alive in '71, "Aqualung" RULED! "Cross-Eyed Mary" still populates classic rock radio, somewhere Whitney Houston was never played.
Kraftwerk? Only the most influential act in electronic music EVER! Yup, Kraftwerk were the progenitors, but according to the Rock Hall that's not music.
Motorhead. Lemmy was the ESSENCE of rock and roll!
And anybody who doesn't think Judas Priest has more rock bona fides in one song than Whitney Houston has in her whole catalog has another thing coming.
And Todd Rundgren is the genius behind Grand Funk's "We're An American Band"...talk about rock and roll. We're getting further from our home.
Soundgarden was the first of the Seattle bands to break through.
And when it comes to Pat Benatar... She was referenced in "Fast Times," she was the biggest female rock act of her era, but she's EXCLUDED?
Have you listened to "In The Heat Of The Night"? "Heartbreaker" burst out of the speakers like a screaming track opening a Stones LP. Isn't it all about grabbing listeners by the balls and making them listen? Name a Whitney Houston track that does the same thing, I dare you!
Never mind the definitive version of John Mellencamp's "I Need A Lover"...talk about ATTITUDE! Isn't that what rock is all about? Where's Whitney Houston's attitude?
And if you purchased "In The Heat Of The Night" because you just couldn't resist, because you needed more, you were rewarded with Neil Giraldo's "We Live For Love" to boot. Sure, Benatar had hit singles, but her albums were totally playable, satisfying, whereas Houston was all about hit singles, the definitive lightweight.
And "Hit Me With Your Best Shot" became part of the vernacular.
And the hits were endless, all over MTV when that channel still meant something, stuff like "Fire And Ice"...
"Oh, you're givin' me the fever tonight"
There's more sexiness in the delivery of that one line than anything in Whitney Houston's catalog...and isn't that the essence of rock, what's between the legs?
And with "Shadows Of The Night" and "Love Is A Battlefield" Benatar cemented her place in the firmament, girls started dressing like her...who ever started dressing like Whitney Houston?
This is why we had punk.
This is why the Seattle sound decimated the hair bands.
Yup, rock has a long history of eviscerating that which has become overbaked, pompous, that which is all style and no substance...AND NOW WHITNEY HOUSTON IS IN ITS HALL OF FAME?
Rock was about innovation, testing limits, no one had heard a song like "Bohemian Rhapsody" before it existed...what limits did Whitney Houston test?
And there's been a constant struggle between artistry and money. Used to be a badge of honor to be into that which was not mainstream but was excellent nonetheless. Those are the acts and albums we treasure.
And you wonder why rock is dead.
You need people to stand up for values, to say no.
This is just like the government, this is just like America today, it's about what's expedient, those with the most bucks triumph, they get what they want. Who in the hell pushed for Houston's inclusion, never mind nomination? Give me the reasons once again, because I'm completely flummoxed. Yup, I want the Rock Hall to defend this position.
But no, it's faceless. We're supposed to trust these dudes, and it is mostly dudes, while they destroy not only the institution, but the history of rock itself. Yup, if you were born in the last twenty years you're now gonna think Whitney Houston was a big rocker, whom we all respected. THAT COULDN'T BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH!
And what did John Lennon sing...GIMME SOME TRUTH!
So the truth is rock is about the people who make it, where they're coming from, what they have to say. It's about outsiders who the audience gravitates to, not the reverse. Once you start giving people what they want you don't deserve to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
If there's no one to induct, skip a year.
But certainly, install true rockers before someone who represents everything rock fans HATE!
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One in which the voters have lost all credibility, putting money over art, debasing the rock ethos and history to the point of irrelevance.
Come on, the only thing Whitney Houston has in common with rock is she O.D'ed!
Then they constantly wank about influences, yup, Patti Smith is gotta be in because she broke ground and influenced those at home. What new ground did Whitney Houston break? Another pop singer, so what? As for legacy...what did we get, "American Idol"? And to tell you the truth, Mariah Carey is more of an influence than Whitney, yup, melisma reigns on TV competition shows.
Or is it because she married Bobby Brown and became a bad girl?
This is execrable, this is sacrilegious, I feel like the Nazi during "Springtime For Hitler"...I knew rock and roll, I was there, these people have NO CLUE!
Come on!
The biggest breakthrough in rock and roll, what built classic rock, was FM radio.
Yup, the Beatles opened the door and then underground FM radio blew the doors off. FM stations played music AM wouldn't dream of, or if AM played it it was eons late (kind of like terrestrial radio today if you think about it, stuff breaks on streaming services).
As a result of FM we got extended songs. We got side-long opuses. We got album-length extravaganzas. Yup, there's more rock and roll in "Thick As A Brick" than in any song by Whitney Houston EVER!
But Jethro Tull can't be in the Rock Hall because Ian Anderson is not warm and fuzzy and the band stole that Grammy from Metallica, even though that was the mistake of the ignorant Grammy voters, not the band.
Have you listened to "This Was"? A blues-rock masterpiece. I mean if you're lauding Peter Green... And "Stand Up" is enough to induct any band. As for "Aqualung"... And if Kiss can get in based on popularity...were you alive in '71, "Aqualung" RULED! "Cross-Eyed Mary" still populates classic rock radio, somewhere Whitney Houston was never played.
Kraftwerk? Only the most influential act in electronic music EVER! Yup, Kraftwerk were the progenitors, but according to the Rock Hall that's not music.
Motorhead. Lemmy was the ESSENCE of rock and roll!
And anybody who doesn't think Judas Priest has more rock bona fides in one song than Whitney Houston has in her whole catalog has another thing coming.
And Todd Rundgren is the genius behind Grand Funk's "We're An American Band"...talk about rock and roll. We're getting further from our home.
Soundgarden was the first of the Seattle bands to break through.
And when it comes to Pat Benatar... She was referenced in "Fast Times," she was the biggest female rock act of her era, but she's EXCLUDED?
Have you listened to "In The Heat Of The Night"? "Heartbreaker" burst out of the speakers like a screaming track opening a Stones LP. Isn't it all about grabbing listeners by the balls and making them listen? Name a Whitney Houston track that does the same thing, I dare you!
Never mind the definitive version of John Mellencamp's "I Need A Lover"...talk about ATTITUDE! Isn't that what rock is all about? Where's Whitney Houston's attitude?
And if you purchased "In The Heat Of The Night" because you just couldn't resist, because you needed more, you were rewarded with Neil Giraldo's "We Live For Love" to boot. Sure, Benatar had hit singles, but her albums were totally playable, satisfying, whereas Houston was all about hit singles, the definitive lightweight.
And "Hit Me With Your Best Shot" became part of the vernacular.
And the hits were endless, all over MTV when that channel still meant something, stuff like "Fire And Ice"...
"Oh, you're givin' me the fever tonight"
There's more sexiness in the delivery of that one line than anything in Whitney Houston's catalog...and isn't that the essence of rock, what's between the legs?
And with "Shadows Of The Night" and "Love Is A Battlefield" Benatar cemented her place in the firmament, girls started dressing like her...who ever started dressing like Whitney Houston?
This is why we had punk.
This is why the Seattle sound decimated the hair bands.
Yup, rock has a long history of eviscerating that which has become overbaked, pompous, that which is all style and no substance...AND NOW WHITNEY HOUSTON IS IN ITS HALL OF FAME?
Rock was about innovation, testing limits, no one had heard a song like "Bohemian Rhapsody" before it existed...what limits did Whitney Houston test?
And there's been a constant struggle between artistry and money. Used to be a badge of honor to be into that which was not mainstream but was excellent nonetheless. Those are the acts and albums we treasure.
And you wonder why rock is dead.
You need people to stand up for values, to say no.
This is just like the government, this is just like America today, it's about what's expedient, those with the most bucks triumph, they get what they want. Who in the hell pushed for Houston's inclusion, never mind nomination? Give me the reasons once again, because I'm completely flummoxed. Yup, I want the Rock Hall to defend this position.
But no, it's faceless. We're supposed to trust these dudes, and it is mostly dudes, while they destroy not only the institution, but the history of rock itself. Yup, if you were born in the last twenty years you're now gonna think Whitney Houston was a big rocker, whom we all respected. THAT COULDN'T BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH!
And what did John Lennon sing...GIMME SOME TRUTH!
So the truth is rock is about the people who make it, where they're coming from, what they have to say. It's about outsiders who the audience gravitates to, not the reverse. Once you start giving people what they want you don't deserve to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
If there's no one to induct, skip a year.
But certainly, install true rockers before someone who represents everything rock fans HATE!
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